6 mm ppc case v 6 mm br case

[maddysdad]

hi,
how do they compare as their construction of the case go?
given that both are made by lapua woudld they be equal in a accuracty way.i remember a piece by t j Jackson on the br in 6 mm.he stated that at the Huston warehouse the br woud shoot along side the ppc but you coul;d push the br 200 to 300 fps faster and shoot in the zeros.you had to make sure the necks were perfect.now given that the 6 mm lapua in a dasher is shooting 3 in and smaller groups at 1000 yards this woud indicate to me you can stay with a ppc and pass it up at the 100 200 and 300
does this sound right.
gary b

 

[th82457]

Case quality will be equal. The 6 BR shines with heavier bullets and longer ranges. The 6 BR Lapua case is factory ready, the 6 PPC case is actually 220 Russian brass that needs to be necked up, neck turned and fire formed for final case dimensions - so a lot more prep work. The 6 PPC is hard to beat for 100 to 300 completion with lighter bullets (55 to 70 gr.) It really depends on what you want to do with the rifle. The 6 BR gets higher velocity due to larger case capacity.
Good Luck,
Terry

 

[mikecr]

It takes anomalies and delusion for stock cars to best funny cars, even in a 1/4mi warehouse.
If Houston warehouse claimed otherwise they were wrong, and would be even if competitive shooting included warehouses, because what improves one could apply & improve the other,, and the gap remains.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Yet nobody takes a 6br to a 100-300 match and beats a ppc even tho they secretly shot zeroes in a warehouse with no witnesses- sounds legit. Case design gives the ppc the slight edge in accuracy. Not saying a 6br wont shoot with a ppc it just wont do it enough for anybody to switch

 

[johara1]

Yet nobody takes a 6br to a 100-300 match and beats a ppc even tho they secretly shot zeroes in a warehouse with no witnesses- sounds legit. Case design gives the ppc the slight edge in accuracy. Not saying a 6br wont shoot with a ppc it just wont do it enough for anybody to switch

Yes but neck it up to 30 cal. and it will run with the PPC…… jim

 

[Dusty Stevens]

In theory it will. Hasnt been done yet except maybe a group here and a match there

 

[MarkS]

I have run 6BR for years for long range. The 6BR will run with the 6PPC at 100 and 200, you just don't see them. My first custom bulit 6BR was a 12tw barrel shooting 80gr. Fowler's. It was set up for Groundhog and Eggshoot matches, it would run with a PPC. My gun was too heavy the shoot 100, 200 yds benchrest, I would liked to have seem how it would have held up with the PPC.

But when you past 200 yds things change. The 6BR will take the lead for there out. I have shot many score matches years ago, out to 300 yds. At the time I was shooting a 6BR that was a rebarreled Remington, I had to shoot with full custom PPC, because it was rebarreled. At 100 and 200 the PPC would clean my clock, but at 300yds I would clean theirs.
I have seen guys try to shoot the PPC out to 600yds. Even with fast twist barrels and heaver bullets, the PPC can't run with the BR.

The PPC is the standard for 100 and 200yd Benchrest, as is the 6BR for 600yd. Benchrest, why use anything else.

If I was setting up a gun for 100, 200 today, it would be a 6BR 12 tw shooting shooting 80gr Fowler's, made by Jeff, I have put back ( not many left ). That's just me, I am a BR guy. http://www.6mmbr.com/Schronce600.html

Mark Schronce

 

[johara1]

In theory it will. Hasnt been done yet except maybe a group here and a match there

They can't handle the recoil, in a light gun. In score the PPC is not there anymore ……. don't get me wrong, i still think the middle means more than the edge……… jim

 

[AckleymanII]

Yes but neck it up to 30 cal. and it will run with the PPC…… jim

Yes it would if recoil were not a major factor!

 

[Frankr]

well my opinion what killed the 6BR in short range group is the lack of quality brass at the time and by the time we had quality brass the 10.5 lbs scoped rifle ruled the majority of competition and the 6ppc when in tune in a 10.5 lbs rifle nothing can shoot with it...BUT in a 13.5 lbs rifle or even a bit heavier the 6BR's I have owned (14 Twist) have shot as well or even better than a few of the 6ppc's I have owned. So I built a 10.5 lbs 6BR and I really could not get it to shoot as well as other's I had. now that was only one barrel but I quit there as it seems as for the sport of short range BR complying to the rules of a 10.5 lbs scoped rifle the 6ppc is just perfect..But the few 6BR's (14T) that had 24" to 26" tubes have shot in the .100's and have agged .200 but as most know a .200 agg now days wont get it done.most of the time. the 6BR is accurate the only thing that can out shoot it is a GOOD 6ppc. just my experience or take on it.

 

[Frankr]

Now one 6BR I had that on my home range was shooting .160's not one group buy group after group..so I told a few guys they said bring it to our club group match..I told them it might weigh right at 14.0 lbs with the Nightforce on it.They said they don't care they would not disqualify me even if I won..So I did take it..I did well at 200 but in the afternoon at 100 we had some tricky wind and it seemed I might have lost a little tune on the load and I did not do that that well mid .200's with maybe one bad group to ruin the agg..for a grand agg of like a .350..
So if ya have a good shooting 6BR and want to shoot a match look around there are a lot of club matches that they will let you shoot in even if it's 16.0 lbs. You will see it is a lot different when the clock is running and the wind is blowing no mater what your shooting. but not to worry I have shot many agg's in the .350's with a 6ppc that was capable of low .100's so just a poor wind reader with bad bench manners at times. The competition is just tough and I don't have the time,money to devote to it so I kind of got out of it but I used to go almost every weekend to shoot somewhere.
I shot a reg match where we had like 25 to 30 MPH winds I know hard to believe but true at 200 yards you had to almost hold on the next guy's target to hit yours.. it would blow anything that was not weighted down off the benches and you almost needed goggles at times because you eyes were watering plus it was a cold wind. how did I do ah I agg a .450 something...just below mid pack.. 50 out of 70 some. .but someone did agg a .225 in them conditions. I knew then I should quit. I was just wasting time and energy.lol oh and I was shooting a state of the art 10.5 lbs 6ppc

I mean it's tough to shoot a .225 agg in good conditions I don't care who you are. understand a agg is five five shot groups shot over a few hours not just pound them all out under good conditions in your honey hole. And this guy shot a .225 agg in a hurricane with a 6ppc..he said he had a real good barrel...lol..

 

[Tim Singleton]

When the clock is ticking and the wind is blowing!
I like that

 

[Frankr]

can anyone remember when the Heavy Varmint was the premier class and who cared about sporter or Light Varmint
and a .250 agg was sure to win...it seemed like it was more fun then. at least to me it did...ah I am getting older and miss days gone by.

 

[Frankr]

That is what the NBRSA could do to draw more shooters is open the weight class up to allow any cartridge built on the 6BR case to compete side by side sporter/LV/HV a whole match against the 6PPC allow a HV contour barrel up to 30" I don't know allow a weight exemption for them up to 19.0 lbs that would about cover anything right.. let them shoot the match for real.
No muzzle brake's..
I really don't think with the agg's that are turned in today that they would have a chance. they may win some match's in windy condition but I doubt very many but it would keep shooters coming to matches..as they could shoot what they use for 600 LG.. what do you think would happen...?

 

[Tim Singleton]

NBRSA do have 5 shot unlimited matches at some ranges
You can compete against a rail with a bag gun for 5 shots

 

[Frankr]

I have shot some club score matches with my 6ppc when not shooting group I got I think 2 second places and a 3rd.
Don't think just because it's a club match the competition is not tough. I cant remember exactly but I think we shot perfect scores and dropped one or two X's to end up in second or third what I can remember is I think there may have been a three or four way tie for second and cant remember how that works but trust me them guy's are tough. but I did like center punching them dots. I shot groundhog matches with my 6 dasher ..I just don't do any of it any more..But if I ever get the time to tune a light bullet load for my 6XC for 100 yards I may try and make a groundhog match this summer. I just know the 100 yards score target you need a real good tune to punch them dots, from 200 to 500 i'm good.And I know for sure you need a perfect score at 100 if you are going to even have a chance..lol...Just ask them fellows at McDonald sportsmen club they have a score and groundhog match every month..Good fellows and Good shooters.There are a lot of matches out there sportsman's clubs,Rifle clubs,Varmint clubs..So many you cant make most of them..

 

[Frankr]

can anyone remember when the Heavy Varmint was the premier class and who cared about sporter or Light Varmint
and a .250 agg was sure to win...it seemed like it was more fun then. at least to me it did...ah I am getting older and miss days gone by.

What I mean by that was at the time I was just getting to learn about Benchrest(group) I don't know early 90's I guess the 6PPC was kind of taking over but there were still a few 22PPC's and one or two 222 rem's and even a straight 220 Russian and maybe even a wildcat of something on the line and even a 6BR. So it seemed very exciting who knew who was shooting what and talk of this and that and anyone stood a chance.Heavy Varmint was still looked at as the Premier class(small groups). And the sporter class was what ? but I do think some guys were starting to use one gun in all three classes. So it seemed very exciting and anything was possible. I actually had a 22ppc and shot my first Reg Match with it. I had a few 22PPC's..before I had a few 6PPC's. But the Rifles were changing at that point I think, and the 10.5 lbs rifle was evolving. newer stocks, action's, shorter barrel's ect balance..Bags and rest. Now I think the 10.5lbs Rifle Rules I don't think too many people actually shoot a HV rig any more..The agg's that are turned in today are incredible.I just looked at a local match results and I think the top 5 agged under .170 around .160's WOW! Amazing .

Your average guy one or two barrel's . Shoots a few matches a year can not compete with that. IMO