6 Dasher with N135 or N140

[Dave M.]

I’ve been running RL-15 forever in our dashers and this winter I want to do some testing with a new barrel I have and try N135 and N140 (both of which I’ve had for well over 3 years and never cracked the seal on either keg).
I’m currently running 33.1g of RL-15 in Lapua 6BR fireformed to dasher brass, and shooting the Barts 105 Gungnirs, with this setup I’m getting 3070fps (at 55deg F).
I’m looking for a good starting point with the N135 so that I can find a 1.4gr window for ladder testing.
And for those that shoot 6 Dashers with N140, I’m looking for the same powder testing window.
I don’t want to start too low and unfortunately I don’t run QL (I don’t even own a computer….lol).

Thanks for any input you guys can offer. I seriously can’t imagine anything outshooting the current combo with RL-15, but I’ve been told Viht powders can do magical things.

Thanks guys,
Dave M.

 

[Ranger188]

Dave, I think the N135 with 105g will pressure out before you could get good case fill.
I'd try the N140 first of those two.

 

[Dave M.]

Thanks. I’ve heard of guys running both with great success. I’m hoping to hear from some guys that run these combos as their favorite pet load.
Dave

 

[JFrank]

@Mulligan
Not being my data to share’ my buddy Clay shoots a dasher and tested some VV 135 awhile back, maybe he’ll chime in.

 

[Cfshooter]

I just loaded a small test of n140 and some 105’s in dasher. Not sure when I can get out to shoot them yet though.

 

[wkdickinson]

I know this eas notbyour question. But my Dasher shot 105 hybrids/107 SMK with 32.3 gr of Varget amazingly well.

 

[Mulligan]

@Mulligan
Not being my data to share’ my buddy Clay shoots a dasher and tested some VV 135 awhile back, maybe he’ll chime in.

Yep, 135 is a dandy in a dasher.
Not only does it shoot well, at the mid and upper nodes, it burns very clean. Lower node, "not so much".
CW

 

[jackieschmidt]

I think I will try N135 in my 1-12 twist 6BRA shooting Barts 80 grn Dominators. It shoots H4895 pretty darned good.

I have an 8 pounder.

 

[mgdietrich]

32.0 is my current load in dasher with N135 and Sierra 107. About 2975fps .120 freebore.
33.0 N140 was a little too hot for my rifle, about at 3000.
N135 shot smaller groups of the two VV powders
I could not get to 3050 without messing up brass like so many say is “easy” with a dasher. 2950-75 seems a good node for my 30” barrel with Lapua brass.

 

[Dave M.]

Yep, 135 is a dandy in a dasher.
Not only does it shoot well, at the mid and upper nodes, it burns very clean. Lower node, "not so much".
CW

Charge weight? Velocity? Brass type?

 

[Dave M.]

32.0 is my current load in dasher with N135 and Sierra 107. .120 freebore.
33.0 N140 was a little too hot for my rifle, N135 shot smaller groups of the two VV powders

Velocity of both??

 

[jkohler]

Jackie 135 has worked great in my BRDX with 80 grn fowlers.

 

[bozo699]

Yep, 135 is a dandy in a dasher.
Not only does it shoot well, at the mid and upper nodes, it burns very clean. Lower node, "not so much".
CW

He’s currently shooting RL15 so he’s use to dirty lol, just chiming in so I can follow I shoot brx so similar charge and I want to try 135 and 140 also
Wayne

 

[Mulligan]

I think I will try N135 in my 1-12 twist 6BRA shooting Barts 80 grn Dominators. It shoots H4895 pretty darned good.

I have an 8 pounder.

Jackie,
I ran 135 in a Grinch with 90 gr Berger’s, very competitive at 600…… and zippy too!
CW

 

[Dave M.]

Starting window range for N135 and N140 using Barts 105 gungnirs, CCI450 primer, Lapua 6BR brass hydro formed to 6 dasher.
Currently running 33.1gr RL-15 and hitting 3050-3070fps consistently.
I want to test N135 and N140 in my new barrel but looking for a good powder charge weight test window for the two Viht powders. I don’t want to start too low and waste powder, but of course I don’t want to start too high and immediately hit over pressure signs .

Thanks for your help guys,
Dave M

 

[Mulligan]

Starting window range for N135 and N140 using Barts 105 gungnirs, CCI450 primer, Lapua 6BR brass hydro formed to 6 dasher.
Currently running 33.1gr RL-15 and hitting 3050-3070fps consistently.
I want to test N135 and N140 in my new barrel but looking for a good powder charge weight test window for the two Viht powders. I don’t want to start too low and waste powder, but of course I don’t want to start too high and immediately hit over pressure signs .

Thanks for your help guys,
Dave M

Dave,
I posted some of my date on this thread, maybe it will help?

VV equivalent to Varget

That's weird because I have found that N150 has been a great replacement for H4895 in my BRA. It would be interesting to try N135, N140, and N150 back to back in a test to see the differences. In my experiences, 140 is accurate (very accurate in both a BRA and Dasher), but will hit pressure...

forum.accurateshooter.com

CW

 

[Dave M.]

Dave,
I posted some of my date on this thread, maybe it will help?

VV equivalent to Varget

That's weird because I have found that N150 has been a great replacement for H4895 in my BRA. It would be interesting to try N135, N140, and N150 back to back in a test to see the differences. In my experiences, 140 is accurate (very accurate in both a BRA and Dasher), but will hit pressure...

forum.accurateshooter.com

CW

This data is amazing and literally more than I could have ever hoped for. I had my windows set up for RL-15 (easy because I’ve used it in dashers forever, and N140 (similar window to RL-15 but just starting lower), and after reading your test data I decided to move my entire charge weight window down a full grain on the N135. I was originally planning to start the 135 testing at 31.2, but now I’m starting at 30.2gr based on your data. Thanks again, I always try to start quite low and work up but often times this means two trips to the range because my window was set too low. In this case, it would have been the opposite and I would have likely pressured out before getting anywhere near the top of my window. Thanks for saving me that hassle.

Thanks brother,
Dave

 

[Mulligan]

This data is amazing and literally more than I could have ever hoped for. I had my windows set up for RL-15 (easy because I’ve used it in dashers forever, and N140 (similar window to RL-15 but just starting lower), and after reading your test data I decided to move my entire charge weight window down a full grain on the N135. I was originally planning to start the 135 testing at 31.2, but now I’m starting at 30.2gr based on your data. Thanks again, I always try to start quite low and work up but often times this means two trips to the range because my window was set too low. In this case, it would have been the opposite and I would have likely pressured out before getting anywhere near the top of my window. Thanks for saving me that hassle.

Thanks brother,
Dave

Yep

On the text data where I was a bit frisky with powder, I mistakenly looked at my Lapua brass data and that trip I was running Alpha in a different rifle. It big me, that data is valuable, but ended up running to the range again.

Edit
What I intended to write is
On the data sheets above, I was a bit frisky with the powder. I mistakenly looked at my Lapua data when I was loading Alpha brass (different rifle). The data is still good, it just cost me another trip to the range.

I was outside loading the truck and moving critters……. And trying to share info with my “smart phone”…… I know better!
I apologize for the above jibberish.
CW

 

[Longtrain]

I also used RE-15, as well as Norma 203B in my Dasher for years. During the powder absence, I managed to pickup some N-140, it performed beautifully, extremely accurate, low SD’s, with Berger 105 and 108 BT’s. Although I have some of the other powders now, I am going to stay with N-140. It seemed to perform on par with Varget as far as velocity and charge weights.

 

[Dave M.]

I also used RE-15, as well as Norma 203B in my Dasher for years. During the powder absence, I managed to pickup some N-140, it performed beautifully, extremely accurate, low SD’s, with Berger 105 and 108 BT’s. Although I have some of the other powders now, I am going to stay with N-140. It seemed to perform on par with Varget as far as velocity and charge weights.

I also ran 203B with surprisingly great results. Varget was ok but the very next 1LB bottle was 30fps faster. R15 is my go to but it burns dirty as shit. Testing N140 and N135 next Saturday, already loaded the rounds.