6 dasher or 6 Creedmoor

[Muley chaser 2345]

I’m seeking some advice here I’m having a heck of a time making a decision. I’ve got a benchmark carbon 1-8 6mm blank finish will be 22 in on a Curtis valor mag fed. I’m going back and forth between dasher and 6 creed I’m wanting a dasher mainly cause I’ve always wanted one cause there silly accurate it seems. I’m just worried with that short of barrel I may be better served with the creed to get a little more speed planning on the 105 hybrid for both, barrel life is a concern but mostly performance is the top goal would I regret the dasher in the 22 in barrel? gun will be for 1,300 or so and in steel shooting and a coyote gun hence the short barrel thanks

 

[JB10]

Will the rifle be set up to feed the dasher reliably? I know there is detachable mags designed for better feeding the short case. I personally would choose a lighter bullets for coyotes. Im shooting 108eldm out of my 6mm creedmoor and really messing them up. I shoot 105 Berger hybrids from mr 6br but dont hunt with it to know what damage they do. My 6 creedmoor is a 22 inch barrel. Dasher might have a little less recoil.

 

[Muley chaser 2345]

That’s one thing I’d hope to be answered I’ve been in contact with a few companies that make mag kits that say the dasher will feed prs guys are using it so it must. I did figure I would maybe move to the 87 V-max for coyotes but would still like the 105 for long range fun! What kind of velocity are you seeing from your creed?

 

[boltfluter]

Dasher all the way! 87 V-max are deadly on coyotes. I would think the barrel life would be quite a bit better as well. Have fun!

Paul

 

[johara1]

May want to look at a BRX, same as a Dasher but should feed better, and the same speed and accuracy. ...... jim

 

[MTlager]

The creed will definitely feed better from mag and has the capability for more power past 1000 yards with the extra powder capacity and the heavier bullets , like the 115”s. As far as barrel life I think there close if you burn the slower powders in the creed. So far in mine I have used 4350, 4831, h1000, rl16, 23, 26, 7838sc, v160 and mag pro. There’s lots more in that burn rate that will work , so you have more options with the powder shortage . For gopher shooting I like the dasher with 75 grain vmax .

 

[LRPV]

Dashers will feed just fine but you do have to tweak things a little bit. I have run them in a Defiance with AICS(no spacers), AICS(with spacers), AICS AW, MDT(they actually make a 12 round BR mag) and ARC mags. I’ve personally had as much trouble, starting out, getting 6.5x47 and Creed’s to run as I did the Dasher. Sometimes thing just don’t work as easily as they should.

 

[Muley chaser 2345]

Thanks for the replies so far guys, the powder options are a big deal also I have quite a bit of 4350 and 4831 I do have some varget also but it seems like varget is always the hardest to come by that may be a sway toward the creed. I’m not super worried about feeding it seems like they have plenty of solutions at this point I’m use to tweaking mags I’ve got a long throated 6.5 saum on a long action that has been interesting to get to feed from ai mags! With the dasher is it realistic to expect 2900 with the 105 in that short of barrel

 

[LRPV]

I would think you could get there or really close with a dasher. H4350 (in a dasher) seems to work best in barrels over 28” from what I’ve talked to people. I’ve never shot it in a dasher.

 

[RegionRat]

Just thinking out loud, but it seems like when your preference is for 22” rather than 24 or 26, that it stands to reason you will have to play with powders and bullets like anything else, but the difference between Dasher and Creedmoor will be close enough to their difference in examples where there is hard data just scaled slower for the missing length.
If you have done your paper study, you get the lay of the land in terms of those two choices. The magazine feeding issues will require some attention to take advantage of all the work folks invested to make that design run in PRS sports.

The exit surveys for some of the bigger matches have been presented by several bloggers including those “what the pros use” installments on the Precision Rifle Blog. If you take those surveys for what they are worth, you can see that the competition folks tend to value lower recoil designs when the matches are based on spotting your own impacts, and then the capacity has to grow when the average distances go way out beyond 1000.

To give you some constructive input, that is how I would decide, i.e., how much priority do I put on performance out beyond 1000 and how much energy can I tolerate most of the time. Clearly, both the 6 Creedmoor and many of the 6 wildcats including Dasher can get you where you asked, but there is enough energy difference between those two on average, that they contrast. Off the top on my head, the energy difference is more that 350 ft*lbs between the two.

 

[Ccrider]

Thanks for the replies so far guys, the powder options are a big deal also I have quite a bit of 4350 and 4831 I do have some varget also but it seems like varget is always the hardest to come by that may be a sway toward the creed. I’m not super worried about feeding it seems like they have plenty of solutions at this point I’m use to tweaking mags I’ve got a long throated 6.5 saum on a long action that has been interesting to get to feed from ai mags! With the dasher is it realistic to expect 2900 with the 105 in that short of barrel

Those that know say that 4350 is too slow for optimal performance from a Dasher. I would look at that real close of I was tied to using 4350.

 

[Muley chaser 2345]

That’s some good info thanks guys, I have researched the prs info on what’s being used that’s what makes me like the dasher,and it’s inherent accuracy. I was referring to the creed as far as using 4350 I planned on using varget for the dasher. It won’t be used beyond a 1000 very often but some, I have other guns for that if I know we will be shooting beyond that a lot. It seems like either way I’d get what I need out of the gun. The creed is leaning to be easier for just what is available to me for components at the moment but the dasher still interests me something about that short little case. If someone had a lead on some 8 lb jugs of varget at normal price the dasher would be the one. I am worried about having a 6 creed and 6.5 creed just for safety reasons of making a mistake and me or someone with me getting a 6 in 6.5 the other way around

 

[22DASHER]

I agree with the Dasher. The feeding issues were solved years ago and feeding is 100% reliable.

 

[D.Stone]

Seeing as it looks like you are building a rifle that is designed to be more suitable for hunting, I would be more inclined to go with the 6 Creedmoor. It's basically plug and play, and you can find ammo for it right now while everything else has basically evaporated. I also think you can make use of a wider variety of powders as well.

I have 6BRA for a competition gun, and it's a great caliber, but the magazines require special attention to get just right, and an aftermarket kit to really make them feed well.

 

[Muley chaser 2345]

I think I’ve made up my mind on going with the Creedmoor, mainly because I have plenty of 4350 and 4831 and I found lapua 6 Creedmoor brass in stock and 108 Berger elite hunter and got enough ordered to get me thru the year! Ultimately I still want a dasher but being the situation we’re in the Creedmoor makes more sense for now thanks for the info much appreciate it!

 

[shoot4fun]

I think I’ve made up my mind on going with the Creedmoor, mainly because I have plenty of 4350 and 4831 and I found lapua 6 Creedmoor brass in stock and 108 Berger elite hunter and got enough ordered to get me thru the year! Ultimately I still want a dasher but being the situation we’re in the Creedmoor makes more sense for now thanks for the info much appreciate it!

I have mag fed repeaters in both 6 Dasher and 6 Creedmoor. You're making a good choice as the Creedmoor is much less fussy for feeding.

 

[Longtrain]

I know little of the 6 Creedmoor, other then what I read online. It certainly seems like a good cartridge. However, I love my Dasher, there is nothing it has been called on that it can’t do, out to 1K, (my range limit). For some reason, there’s credence in short fat cartridges shooting lights out.

 

[dhellek]

The creed will definitely feed better from mag and has the capability for more power past 1000 yards with the extra powder capacity and the heavier bullets , like the 115”s. As far as barrel life I think there close if you burn the slower powders in the creed. So far in mine I have used 4350, 4831, h1000, rl16, 23, 26, 7838sc, v160 and mag pro. There’s lots more in that burn rate that will work , so you have more options with the powder shortage . For gopher shooting I like the dasher with 75 grain vmax .

 

[Ray123]

The 6 Dasher, I went through the same thought process...the 6 Dasher. I got the 28" barrel 7.5 twist. It's accurate with 58 gr Vmax at almost 4100 fps and CFE223 for varmints.
Or standard loads that most use with Varget, RL 15 and a Berger bullet, I use the 108 Berger for that.
Or, for Speed go to 6.5 Staball with the heavy bullets 107 gr 3132 fps 110 SMK 3085 fps, 115 DTAC 3020 fps. I use the 110 SMK at 3085 for long range steel...but even then the sound coming back is faint on heavy steel...probably need some lighter steel to "ring" louder. Your 22" barrel will have a significant velocity drop off especially with the lighter bullets...the gap will be less with heavy bullets...from experience with the same caliber different barrel lengths from 18 to 30 inches.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Two cents .
22” Barrel way not go 24?
The Dasher has Brass ready .
The Dasher will do it with less Powder .
I have a dog in the fight , I have two Dashers .