6-6.5x47 Lapua Pistol

[RayPrager]

Yep, a Long Range Pistol .
Lawton 7500 LB,LP,action,18' 8 twist McGowen barrel,2oz Jewel trigger.
I plan to shoot 600 yd and 1000 yd BenchRest/F-Class, heads up with the Rifles .I have a PTG reamer per recommendations of Dave Kiff ..Plan on the 105-108 gr bullets .
I have searched and read about this cartridge and think it will meet my goals . My last cartridge used was a 7 twist, 6mm Rem .I decided on the 47 case because of quality brass,small primer pockets, and I figured would get me the accuracy and velocity needed.
This cartridge seems to be pretty straight forward as to prepping and loading, but as with all cases,there's always tips or tricks . Thoughts,Tips,Tricks would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Ray

 

[RMiller]

I dont know about tips and tricks, like you said its a pretty straight forward cartridge. I have a 6x47L rifle for 1000 yard shooting. I have been thinking about doing a 6x47L pistol next my self. For hunting. I question the viability to go heads up against benchrest rifles with it tho. Your a better man than I if you can run with them at 1000 yards with a pistol. At least around here groups in the 1000 yard game are getting pretty small. Takes a top notch rifle to be compeditive. Cant imagine someone on the line with a pistol doing very well but I guess you never know.

Anyway, I think its a great caliber for a pistol.
What stock are you planning on?

 

[RayPrager]

Ryan,
I shot a modified,rear grip)Savage Striker this last season at our club.
I understand the quality of equipment and shooters at all the Matchs around the country.Our club, Colorado Rifle Club ) has its share of accomplish Marksmen... But a Guy has to set GOALS...LOL

Here' my son n law,Kevin)first time behind that Striker..

a 6mm Rem, 7 twist for 115's.
Although it shot good ..> 3/4' at 200 yds most days,trigger and balance,tracking) was a on going problem . so I decided to build a New gun for the up coming season,and see what happens.Wish me Luck...LOL
The stock will be a McRee's, Mcreesprecision.net)Aluminum Module Pistol,3' bench rest forend with the adjustable rear grip .I have a couple of friends that are using these stocks, with good results, so I will work with the manufacturer and see if we can take the design farther .We will try and get it balanced close to 17 pounds..as this will be a dedicated Bench Gun.
Ray

 

[RMiller]

You are absolutely correct in that one must set goals and a 6x47L 1000 yard benchrest pistol is a fine one. Not much of any recoil. Plenty of velocity. Lapua brass and several makers make a nice 6mm bullet. You sparked my interest in making a pistol again. LOL still dont see me taking it to the line instead of my rifle. I like my rifle to much to let it sit home. But you never know.

That's a fine looking pistol. If one was going to do well at 1000 yards Id think it would be on a platform like that one.
I think its good you decided to go with the 105-108's for your next one. Don't see very many people at least at my club doing much with the 115's.

 

[RayPrager]

Ryan,
LOL... I can understand about not trading your rifle for a pistol ...LOL .
And although I have been a rifle shooter Most of my life,I love these short guns...and at 60 yrs, they seem to occupy most of my time any more,shooting and hunting.
I also have a new Kiff 6.5x284 Norma reamer, and for now,I will chamber that barrel as well for the Lawton action .Both have excellent track records in rifles and actually, the 6.5 works really well in our short guns as well .So I am really looking forward to the 6mm ...I really think it will work very well.
Depending on what you will build .., a custom or XP100 mid or rear grip ... There's good stocks out there, Joel Russo makes a excellent product ...for one .
Hunting ...a friend this last antelope season, took a doe at 875 yds, one shot...with a 284 win and 168 bergers .. I took a doe at 635 yds, with that 6mm Rem and 105 Bergers, one shot .
Pistols are a Hoot ...
Ray

 

[Preacher]

I really hate to say this but----If the feds catch you with a Lawton 7500 action on a pistol you'll be sent to the big house for a while....
You can not build a pistol out of a rifle action....
You can build a rifle out of a pistol action without a problem...

 

[RayPrager]

Preacher ... Howdy,
These are sold as a 7500 Lawton Receiver,'Action' if you want, and registered as Just 'Receivers',Actions).No Rifle or Pistol designation necessary.
And you are correct, you cannot take a rifle or a registered rifle receiver and make a pistol from that ..you cannot take a receiver that was built as a rifle,registered) and make a pistol..And as you said, you can take a pistol action, like a XP100 and make a rifle ...I really don't understand the logic to many of our laws.
Thanks
Ray

 

[Preacher]

Ray, seems like your good to go then, you'll have more fun with that pistol than your probably allowed to have. My XP's with up to 20 inch barrels on them freak a lot of folks out the way they shoot.....

 

[RMiller]

What designates a pistol as a pistol? It not contacting the shoulder? That's hardly your regular type pistol for sure. I wouldn't think any officer of the law would see it as a straight forward pistol but there isn't much flex in gun laws. I mean its a matter of semantics really as to what designates the action a pistol action or rifle action when your talking about a gun like that.

Kinda lost here.

 

[RayPrager]

Hey ...
I totally agree, with the laws as written, its all semantics ....I have no idea how any of our law makers /officials would describe a Handgun...
We all are confused by these,Laws),and all these 'Laws' are open to interpretation from any and all of these Law Officials, and depending on the mood, can be interpretative liberal or restrictive .I've had several conversations with Officials and got different interpretations..
When people think or hear Handgun, what pops is a 357 /44 Mag Revolver or the Semi Auto's they see on TV carried by the Police or the Bad Guys they are chasing .
I find the public generally have a hard time understanding Specialty Pistols, Handguns) .XP100's,Savage Strikers, Wichita's, MOA's,Contenders,Encores and others are all beyond the Handgun Terminology ....
My project 'Pistol' will be a Specialty Pistol for Sure...A single purpose 'Handgun' .Built to shoot 600 and 1000yd Bench rest Matches.When the 'Action' gets to my FFL, It will be registered as a Lawton 7500 action..period.
I might call Lawton, and see if they would give this action a 'P' designation to the serial # .. and log this in there records as a Pistol Receiver ... That might help..


Thanks
Ray

 

[RMiller]

I wrote this very long winded response and or several more questions but after rereading it and before hitting the post button I decided that all I was really saying was HMMMM?
Ill have to keep all this in mind if and when I build mine.

 

[RayPrager]

Ryan ....
Hmmmmm....I understand, I would not let this, stop your Project . I am waiting patiently for the Action, and collecting the pieces and parts .I am try'n to decide if I should have the Aluminum stock Anodized or dipped,to keep it simple or take it to the Extreme ...I'm not sure how much attention,raised EyeBrows)it will draw.....LOL
Ray

 

[RayPrager]

Here's a Barrel Blocked Contender I built for 1000yd Prairie Dogs .a 5.6x50R Imp, shooting 80 gr bullets.weight 16 #, worked good ...1046 yds so far .

This has been taken apart now, and being fitted to a Encore Pistol, a 18' 280AI, for the 162/168 gr bullets ..another 600 / 1000yd effort .

Ray

 

[RMiller]

Very nice. Not quite what I had in mind but something to consider. To be honest I'm not sure what I have in mind.

What kind of accuracy do you get out at 1000 yards with it?

To bad you don't live on the east cost. Bring that thing to Williamsport. I'm sure it would draw attention.

 

[RayPrager]

Attention......Probably ....LOL
A Lot More Laughs and Giggles .... More Probable...LOL
These Pistols are really just a way to amuse myself, at 60 yrs, I am way past the age to be really competitive at anything .No eyes and failing health .But I do like people to see that these Pistols can shoot, and shoot well . When appropriate techniques are used,most of these Pistols do a pretty good job of hanging with the rifles out to 600 yds most days ..
Ray

 

[RayPrager]

Thought I'd Bump this ...to see if anyone else had any ideas or thoughts on this project that might help..me achieve my goal .
thanks
Ray

 

[RJinTexas]

Ray, who built your various rests and tops both the ajustable to length one piece and two piece units look very well thought out.

Regards
RJ

 

[RayPrager]

RJ ...
The rests are built by a good friend of mine...Cayle Davis

C & J Machine
Palmer ,Ill.

xpfuzz@consolidated.net

Hope this helps ... These are a Great Product .
Ray