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6.5 Lapua and 140 amax to 910yds.

My load I settled on in my 6.5 Lapua is 40.3g H4350 over the 140 amax at 2730fps. I punched all the numbers into Ballistic on my Iphone using the G7, all the atmospheric numbers, the works, then set out to shoot some steel at 910 yds. Ballistic called for 26.25moa to 910 and it only took 24moa. I am using the Litz G7. My velocity numbers are right. I ended up having to use a velocity of 2850 for a drop chart, vs the actual velocity of 2730. What gives? It seems that the Amax's are flying much flatter than they should, or much flatter than advertised.

Same thing for the 105 amax in my 6br. It shoots a good bit flatter than what the computer says it should. JBM was 1.75moa to high at 910 with the 6br.

I'm not complaining at all. When I was using Sierra MKs, the Ballistic program was right on. These Amax's have me scratching my head a bit.
 
all the atmospheric numbers, the works,

How are you capturing your Atmospheric data? Sounds like something might not be set right. maybe using Baro pressure instead of station pressure if you are at slight altitude....
 
How certain are you of your chronograph? I've seen them off by a lot. Even small errors in the positioning of screens can significantly alter the readings.

I've always found JBM to be nearly dead on if I got my variables right.

Good luck
 
Scope height was measured exactly at 1.9". The Ballistic app retreives the current atmospheric conditions, altitude, etc. from NOAA at my location for the given time. Yesterday the conditions were as follows...

1165 altitude
30.06 Hg
Temp 47
RH 79%

It was perfect for good chrony readings too - overcast and no sun. I've shot over two different chronographs and the velocities were the same. I don't know, if I'm getting 2850 with just 40.3g, good for me I guess. QL show I should be about where the chrony is telling me I'm at.
 
I have developed ballistics applications for work and play and I always check how they do against JBM and Bryan Litz's, if my work is off I know there is a problem. So I would recommend you see what JBM gives you for your condition and compare that with what your ballistics app gives you.

I use my app to prepare drop tables and usually print off 2 or 3 when headed for a new destination for what I think the conditions will be based on the seasonal weather. With the range cards in hand I rarely use a ballistics app on a trip as my range cards for that area are usually more than accurate. This is not bragging about my app as JBM and Bryna's are just as good.

Long story short, check your results against JBM and if it does not agree with actual then re test your muzzle velocity.

Hope this helps,

wade
 
MDM,

the most likely cause is scope adjuster error. Very few scopes, even top end ones are within 5% accuracy on a 'round the box' test at 100yd in settled conditions off the bench with a rifle and load capable of 0.25-MOA or smaller groups. That is, set the scope to shoot at the bottom corner of a large sheet of paper, shoot one, add 20 or 30-MOA and shoot another one; go right the same amount in MOA etc, then down etc, then left etc.

Ideally when finished, shot 5 touches shot 1 or is very close, the four corner holes produce a true square with 90-degree angles and equal length sides and the length of the sides is the scope adjustment values X 1.047". In real life the error is usually on the plus side giving sides to the square that are greater than the recorded MOA value in inches.

A friend has run this test many times using his Stolle 6PPC LV gun in scope reviews for publication with Leupolds, S&Bs, Nightforces, Sightrons, and believe me a mere 5% error in this test is small, many expensive target scopes having MOA values nearer to being 10% out from the recorded values. On the other hand, consistency of values has improved greatly in recent years so he does tend to get a true square with recent production top end models.

So, take a 5-10% scope adjuster error, a small MV chronograph error, different atmospheric conditions from those run through the ballistic program - and as Bryan Litz is the first to point out - small errors in the experimentally derived G7 BC values, and a 2-MOA 'error' between estimated and required come-up at 900 or 1,000yd from a 100yd zero is very easily obtained unless the 'errors' luckily cancel each other out. The objective must always be to get the bullet somewhere onto the target frame in such conditions and it's very optimistic to believe that a precise result can be predicted in advance of the shot no matter how good the ballistics program, atmospheric metering gear used on the range or in the field etc for such a large range change between two shots.

The good news from my friend's tests is that the adjuster error issue is being addressed by the scope manufacturers as a 'mere' 5% error would have been regarded as fantastic when he started this 10 or 12 years ago while the best of today's models like the S&B 12-50X56 PMII and Sightron Series III L-R scopes are now achieving it.

Laurie,
York, England
 
Thanks Laurie. That might be what is going on. The scope is a Vortex Viper. It does return to zero every time. It could be giving me more elevation than it is supposed to. I will have to test it out at 100yds on a big sheet of cardboard to see how it tracks in the elevation department.
 
Thanks Laurie. That might be what is going on. The scope is a Vortex Viper. It does return to zero every time. It could be giving me more elevation than it is supposed to...


How do you like your vortex? I just got a Vortex Viper PST this week and waiting to put it on a 308 almost finished up...
 
I've got two of the standard Viper 6.5x20 models. I like them. The are very repeatable, glass is decent, and a good value. I'd like to get a PST.
 
I now just shoot 265 yards and 100 yards then use that and use speed that works on shooter. Shoot once far then adjust.works very well. Now if i can figure out that wind.
 
MDM,

There is a lot of factor going on in long range shooting. I work mine up by taking field zero, at multi ranges 100, to 500 yds. Then put this data into the computer and adjust as needed. You have your 910 yds zero adjust from there. You can adjust your speed, BC of bullet to fit your known zeros

Mark Schronce
 

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