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.44 Mag 629 Punishment

Thanks for input everyone. Based on what everyone is saying I don't think I have nothing to worry about any time soon . I just sold a Ruger Redhawk I tried to love it but could not shoot it as well. The Smiths just fit and shoot better for me. It's like they made them just for me.
Yeah Rugers are tough, but clunky and ugly. The only good looking revolver Ruger makes is the “Vaquero”. Now that is a sexy wheel gun! But the Blackhawk, Redhawk, and whatever else are ugly to me.

Smiths are nice and look good, but way overpriced in my opinion. I think it’s the nostalgia people pay for.

So I am fairly biased towards Taurus revolvers. Love the looks, the feel in my hand, and the triggers are great. Their large frame guns come from the factory with ported barrels. It’s not the same percentage of recoil reduction as a muzzle brake on a rifle, but along with the extra weight of the full length sight rib and under lug (which looks so good), the porting knocks the muzzle jump down just enough to make shooting full power loads all day a walk in the park. The weight and balance of the Taurus revolvers coupled with the barrel porting is a perfect recipe. Makes them nice and steady in the hand when aiming and very comfortable to shoot.

Last time I tested my Raging Bull for accuracy, I shot it using factory iron sights from a sandbag with handloads using 300gr XTPs and it printed all 6 rounds in 2.5” at 100 yards! Also grouped about 1” at 50 yards. Nothing to complain about there. Could deer hunt with that no problem! Accuracy might be even better with a scope, but I personally don’t care for optics on revolvers.

My Taurus wheel guns:
Taurus Raging Bull 44 Mag, 8-3/8” bbl.
Taurus Tracker 627, .357 Mag, 4” bbl, 7 shot
Taurus Defender 605, .357 Mag, 3” bbl, 6 shot

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I love S&W revolvers and have owned a ton of them over the past 50+ years including the Model 29 in a 6" barrel. The inconvenient truth regarding S&W magnums is that they do not tolerate a steady diet of full magnum loads with heavy bullets in most models, including the Model 29, at least in my experience.

My 29 (circa early 1980's) loosened up after about thousand or so rounds of full magnum loads of 2400 and 240 grain bullets. The timing went south, and end shake was significant. I should note that I never shot reduced loads in mine. I bought a 44 magnum to shoot 44 magnum reloads. I have an arthritic elbow to prove it.

The one exception in my experience is the Model 27 S&W, 357 Magnum. I shot a steady diet of full magnum loads in mine and it never loosen. This is probably due to the fact that it was built on the heavy N frame. Foolishly, I traded mine for the then new "L" frame. For the past 20 years or so I only shoot 38 Special plus P in mine. I do not hunt with a pistol anymore and haven't since the 80's.

If you want shoot only full 44 magnum loads with 240 grain bullets, I believe the Ruger Redhawk is the best choice. I am not a fan of Ruger double action revolvers, but the truth is, they are significantly more robust than the S&W's.
 
Yeah Rugers are tough, but clunky and ugly. The only good looking revolver Ruger makes is the “Vaquero”. Now that is a sexy wheel gun! But the Blackhawk, Redhawk, and whatever else are ugly to me.

Smiths are nice and look good, but way overpriced in my opinion. I think it’s the nostalgia people pay for.

So I am fairly biased towards Taurus revolvers. Love the looks, the feel in my hand, and the triggers are great. Their large frame guns come from the factory with ported barrels. It’s not the same percentage of recoil reduction as a muzzle brake on a rifle, but along with the extra weight of the full length sight rib and under lug (which looks so good), the porting knocks the muzzle jump down just enough to make shooting full power loads all day a walk in the park. The weight and balance of the Taurus revolvers coupled with the barrel porting is a perfect recipe. Makes them nice and steady in the hand when aiming and very comfortable to shoot.

Last time I tested my Raging Bull for accuracy, I shot it using factory iron sights from a sandbag with handloads using 300gr XTPs and it printed all 6 rounds in 2.5” at 100 yards! Also grouped about 1” at 50 yards. Nothing to complain about there. Could deer hunt with that no problem! Accuracy might be even better with a scope, but I personally don’t care for optics on revolvers.

My Taurus wheel guns:
Taurus Raging Bull 44 Mag, 8-3/8” bbl.
Taurus Tracker 627, .357 Mag, 4” bbl, 7 shot
Taurus Defender 605, .357 Mag, 3” bbl, 6 shot

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Yeah Rugers are tough, but clunky and ugly. The only good looking revolver Ruger makes is the “Vaquero”. Now that is a sexy wheel gun! But the Blackhawk, Redhawk, and whatever else are ugly to me.

Smiths are nice and look good, but way overpriced in my opinion. I think it’s the nostalgia people pay for.

So I am fairly biased towards Taurus revolvers. Love the looks, the feel in my hand, and the triggers are great. Their large frame guns come from the factory with ported barrels. It’s not the same percentage of recoil reduction as a muzzle brake on a rifle, but along with the extra weight of the full length sight rib and under lug (which looks so good), the porting knocks the muzzle jump down just enough to make shooting full power loads all day a walk in the park. The weight and balance of the Taurus revolvers coupled with the barrel porting is a perfect recipe. Makes them nice and steady in the hand when aiming and very comfortable to shoot.

Last time I tested my Raging Bull for accuracy, I shot it using factory iron sights from a sandbag with handloads using 300gr XTPs and it printed all 6 rounds in 2.5” at 100 yards! Also grouped about 1” at 50 yards. Nothing to complain about there. Could deer hunt with that no problem! Accuracy might be even better with a scope, but I personally don’t care for optics on revolvers.

My Taurus wheel guns:
Taurus Raging Bull 44 Mag, 8-3/8” bbl.
Taurus Tracker 627, .357 Mag, 4” bbl, 7 shot
Taurus Defender 605, .357 Mag, 3” bbl, 6 shot

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Those are good looking wheel guns I really like the raging bull.I like the raging hunter to.
 
I love S&W revolvers and have owned a ton of them over the past 50+ years including the Model 29 in a 6" barrel. The inconvenient truth regarding S&W magnums is that they do not tolerate a steady diet of full magnum loads with heavy bullets in most models, including the Model 29, at least in my experience.

My 29 (circa early 1980's) loosened up after about thousand or so rounds of full magnum loads of 2400 and 240 grain bullets. The timing went south, and end shake was significant. I should note that I never shot reduced loads in mine. I bought a 44 magnum to shoot 44 magnum reloads. I have an arthritic elbow to prove it.

The one exception in my experience is the Model 27 S&W, 357 Magnum. I shot a steady diet of full magnum loads in mine and it never loosen. This is probably due to the fact that it was built on the heavy N frame. Foolishly, I traded mine for the then new "L" frame. For the past 20 years or so I only shoot 38 Special plus P in mine. I do not hunt with a pistol anymore and haven't since the 80's.

If you want shoot only full 44 magnum loads with 240 grain bullets, I believe the Ruger Redhawk is the best choice. I am not a fan of Ruger double action revolvers, but the truth is, they are significantly more robust than the S&W's.
I wonder how the new Colt anaconda would stand up to full power loads. It looks like it would but only time will tell I reckon
 
I wonder how the new Colt anaconda would stand up to full power loads. It looks like it would but only time will tell I reckon
I have no idea, the only Colt I ever owned was a Trooper, 357 Magnum. I didn't own it long enough to make a fair assessment of its durability, but it shot very accurately with full powder magnum loads. One of the firearms I wish I had kept.
 
How much .44 mag heavy loads is one really going to shoot? The cost of ammo/components will be far beyond the cost of replacing your S&W when it's worn out.
 
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Even with a red dot I'm not very good with a pistol. I shoot powder coated 240gr with a dose of W296 or my standard load of 9gr of unique behind the same bullet.
 
I used to shoot handgun silhouette (IHMSA) back in the 80's. Eighty very stout .44 mag loads every match. And another 80-100 similarly stout loads every weekend doing load development or practice on weekends there wasn't a match.

The general sentiment at the time - one voiced by my gunsmith (who was also the armorer of the Fairfax County Virginia Police Dept., back when S&W revolvers were standard issue) - was that S&W N-frames, though excellent revolvers, would not stand up to such punishment.

I ended up using a Ruger Redhawk for competition in order to save my beloved Model 29.

S&W faced a similar quandary with heavy .357 mag loads in their K-frame. That's why they developed the L-frame.

Current Model 29's will no doubt digest more heavy .44 mag loads than my now-ancient Model 29 (still one of my favorite revolvers). But an N-frame is still an N-frame.

@JSH has pointed you in the right direction. A Ruger or Freedom Arms will give you more durability. But then you lose that panache that a Model 29 brings.
This mirrors my experience as well. TLDR: Don't push pressure with a S&W 29.

I too shot 44 Mag revolvers in silhouette in the 80's running very stout 240 grain loads, and used similar ammo for hunting mule deer and elk. It was a very popular game in SoCal back then with matches held at several venues that were all well attended.

In order for a plate score to count, you must knock it down. Just hitting or turning it didn't count. As such, you saw many instances where 357 Mag lost points at the 200 yard line when they failed to drop the plate and as a result some folks went to 357 Maximum to be competitive, or like many of us they just ran 44 Mag since it was more commonly available in terms of brass and guns.

Compared to other games, handgun Silhouette was affordable. A match is 10 plates at 4 distances, so 40 record shots plus your practice and sighters. I'm being long winded to give a general description of how large the user group and experience base was for the OP's question.

In that era, silhouette using a revolver was very popular because the ammo volume was way lower than SASS or the action pistol games. The ammo pressure used in silhouette was generally very high, whereas the ammo pressure run in other pistol sports was not. If you wanted to learn what pistols/revolvers took pressure, silhouette revolver is where you found out.

At the time period, it was general knowledge that you didn't play these games with a S&W 29 because they would stretch and fail to maintain accuracy. These full power load games were where the Rugers and Dan Wessons ruled the revolver territory, by a wide margin. Several close friends didn't follow the advice and tried to run their 29s in this game, and every one of them stretched. So the advice wasn't hearsay or rumor, but was well established.

The stress levels on these frames due to the pressure/energy is worth a pause for comparison.
A typical 240 grain JHP at 1500 fps is roughly 1200 ft*lbs at the muzzle, and runs over 36000 PSI.
A regular 240 grain LSWC doing 800 fps is roughly 341 ft*lbs and runs about 12000 PSI.
If you keep the S&W closer to the latter, you will be fine. If you push it, it will stretch and fail to maintain performance.

My own choice was typically a Dan Wesson with a Vent Heavy 8" bbl. Don't get me wrong, I really like the 29 and think it is a great pistol, but consider it one you shoot at low pressure for all but the most dire circumstances. The Dan Wesson became the property of the CZ corporation, and to be honest I don't know if they ever produced the 44 Mag version again. The Ruger is the easy way to get a 44 Mag revolver that can take the pressure.

Life can be short. If you want to get a 29, then get one and don't abuse it. If you need to hit something with a full house load using 44 Mag, then the Ruger is a much better choice. YMMV
 
Im not a big pistol guy but I do like a nice smith. The forces involved dont stress the parts as much as you read. I know I will never wear out any of my smiths. You need to be shooting a lot to do that. And by the time you do the cost of the ammo will so far exceed the cost of the gun that it would be a drop in the bucket to buy a new one in comparison.
 
Im not a big pistol guy but I do like a nice smith. The forces involved dont stress the parts as much as you read. I know I will never wear out any of my smiths. You need to be shooting a lot to do that. And by the time you do the cost of the ammo will so far exceed the cost of the gun that it would be a drop in the bucket to buy a new one in comparison.
Maybe… If you were to purchase 1,000 rounds of full power factory ammo at $1 each, that’s where they start to have trouble by most accounts and it’s still less than the cost of a Smith 629 in 44 mag.

Of course could handload those same 1,000 rounds for less money
 
Its gonna take a lot more than 1000 rounds to wear a 629 out. I have 2 and have put much more than that on them and they are as tight as when I got them. Both are used so no idea how many were on them. I think this gets blown out of proportion. When a guy has an issue, he can get pretty vocal. But the 1000s of guys without an issue dont say anything. I like Rugers too. I have had a few. Have a gp100 Id never sell. It may out last the smith, but I wont live long enough to know.
 
Its gonna take a lot more than 1000 rounds to wear a 629 out. I have 2 and have put much more than that on them and they are as tight as when I got them. Both are used so no idea how many were on them. I think this gets blown out of proportion. When a guy has an issue, he can get pretty vocal. But the 1000s of guys without an issue dont say anything.
True. Squeaky wheels always make more noise, but this info is coming from competitive handgun shooters. They have their reasons why they don’t use Smiths with FULL power loads. Gotta take their advice on pistols just the same as I do on rifles from you and Tom.

Most casual shooters like us won’t make a difference to a Smith tho. I actually prefer lesser power loads in my handguns. Shooting .38 Special in my .357’s is so much nicer at the range than full power magnum loads! Thinking about loading 44 Special for the 44 mag as well
 
Days gone by, I shot a 29 loose with a load of 26.0g of H110, Win case, win mag primer, 180g Sierra JC. Jack Rabbits were on the high end of their population cycle. We would walk the dessert with two shot shell pouches on our hip. on the right side was full of loaded ammo, and the left was where we placed the empties. We got pretty good at hitting running rabbits, used a shooting gloove of course.

I went to a Ruger super black hawk, Pacmyer grip. I had a Silhouette model super black hawk that was the most unbelievable shooting revolver I have ever had my hands on, I was CRAZY to trade that pistol off with it's shoulder holster.

The Ruger Red Hawks are battle tanks, make a 29 look pretty wimpy. A friend has a Red Hawk that is hard to miss a 12" plate at 100 yards with 22.6g of H110 with Sierra 240g HC.

I have an indicator that goes down the barrel of a revolver and measures the difference alignment run out between the bore and each cylinder, results are amazing.
 
I will add this, if I had shot a 41 magnum 40+ years ago, I would more than likely ever owned a .44 magnum.
As noted above revolver manufacturers learned a lot in the early heyday of IHMSA. Yet, I still bought a 10 5/8 model 29, one of the biggest turds that was ever polished. Oh yeah sure it was a beauty and felt good too, would not shoot in a bucket. I spent way more time and effort on it than it was worth, with dismal end results. Each cylinder shot its own group, so timing which cylinder at what distance was important or you got a big fat O on the score card. Low 30’s was the best it ever did. Shot a borrowed Black Hawk with my ammo and buddies dope, shot a solid upper 30, seems like a 38 and missed two chickens. Sights on the BH back then left a lot to be desired, but any of the six cylinders all hit a better POA.
Enter an FA in 357 magnum. These can be loaded up with 180-200 class bullets and take over full footed or hard set rams fairly easy. Shot flatter and better than a 44 ever did with less recoil. Ot your average uncle bobs 357. Compressed load of H110/296 and a small rifle primer with a cast 180-200 and it performed over and above what many thought.
I am the third owner of this particular FA in 357. Saw an old buddy yesterday and we got to talking about it. We figure it is closing in on 75000 rounds through it with no ill effect in the past 30-35 years.
The load was worked up by the original owner and never varied from any of the three of us.
It will still shoot some outstanding groups when the pilot does his job.
 
Days gone by, I shot a 29 loose with a load of 26.0g of H110, Win case, win mag primer, 180g Sierra JC. Jack Rabbits were on the high end of their population cycle. We would walk the dessert with two shot shell pouches on our hip. on the right side was full of loaded ammo, and the left was where we placed the empties. We got pretty good at hitting running rabbits, used a shooting gloove of course.

I went to a Ruger super black hawk, Pacmyer grip. I had a Silhouette model super black hawk that was the most unbelievable shooting revolver I have ever had my hands on, I was CRAZY to trade that pistol off with it's shoulder holster.

The Ruger Red Hawks are battle tanks, make a 29 look pretty wimpy. A friend has a Red Hawk that is hard to miss a 12" plate at 100 yards with 22.6g of H110 with Sierra 240g HC.

I have an indicator that goes down the barrel of a revolver and measures the difference alignment run out between the bore and each cylinder, results are amazing.

I’d like to give this beast from Taurus a try one day for hunting varmints and big game. With a 460 S&W, you essentially get 3 guns in one platform because you can shoot 454 Casull and 45 Long Colt as well

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I shot 610’s and 625’s. Both N frame revolvers but not the power of a 44 magnum. I’m not a 44 guy but have you considered shooting a lighter load maybe in lead semi was cutter for target practice?
 
I didn't wear out my 29 in IHMSA, just shooting at things at a friend of mines farm. In IHMSA, I used a DW 357max for awhile and then a DW 445 sm (that was a beast!!) or a Ruger "silver hornpipe" as the 10.5" Super Blackhawk was called. Wish I had gotten a FA back then but was too cheap!! Have one now and will it shoot. The running bear silhouette at our range at 350yds is an easy target for the FA as long as I do my part.
 

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