40x Rimfire question

[Phil McGrath]

Hmmm, a 40x rifle chambered in .308 will also have 7.62 NATO stamped into the barrel if your 40x is missing this, it has been rebarreled.

Barrel tuners in the forearm are for small bore .22 rifles, never seen them on the big guys.

 

[perry42]

I have a US 40X and a custom position 40X, both are very accurate with the right ammo.

 

[SquibLoad]

What do I have?

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Did that come from Pacific Tool and Gauge ?

 

[butchlambert]

Did that come from Pacific Tool and Gauge ?

Yes Sir.

 

[SquibLoad]

Yes Sir.

Supposedly, they added the "U.S." stamping to receivers and were selling them off as vintage surplus parts. They took some Remington 700 receivers and added "M24" stampings to them as well and were selling them as real M24 receivers. Notice the rear of receiver is not drilled for the backup iron sight.

 

[davidjoe]

Supposedly, they added the "U.S." stamping to receivers and were selling them off as vintage surplus parts. They took some Remington 700 receivers and added "M24" stampings to them as well and were selling them as real M24 receivers.

Notice the rear of receiver is not drilled for the backup iron sight.

On Butch’s gun, it had a very low serial number and it would have never said 700, as the 40-X name is there. That serial number would have been used decades ago.

I can see how one could add markings to blank areas of the receiver. I can’t see adding a 40-X because first, that’s a model and second, something would have already been inscribed there if it was not a 40-X.

 

[SquibLoad]

On Butch’s gun, it had a very low serial number and it would have never said 700, as the 40-X name is there. That serial number would have been used decades ago.

I can see how one could add markings to blank areas of the receiver. I can’t see adding a 40-X because first, that’s a model and second, something would have already been inscribed there if it was not a 40-X.

I never said they added the 40-X, I believe they added the U.S. stampings.

ETA- I think PTG had an easy out, seeing as they bought all of Remington's remaining inventory. They can just claim it's the way they found it. I will say that the barrel should be marked 7.62 not 308 Win

 

[davidjoe]

I never said they added the 40-X, I believe they added the U.S. stampings.

ETA- I think PTG had an easy out, seeing as they bought all of Remington's remaining inventory. They can just claim it's the way they found it. I will say that the barrel should be marked 7.62 not 308 Win

On your pictured actions, I think you are right. The markings do look like they were added, but another possibility is in-house, and unsatisfied with the appearance, similar to a recording studio’s endless raw sessions.

Butch confirmed that he got that rifle from PTG and I’m wondering how they ended up with such an aged item, assuming it is. I am supposing that remnant inventory could have been liquidated but that goes very far back indeed.

The way I understand record keeping once an action is serialized it would stay on the books until disposed, popping up year after year, and that is a very old serial number, (safely) assuming sequential numbering.

I do have 40-X barrels marked each way, .308 Win as well as 7.62 NATO. They did send them out both ways.

It could be, that once there was an anomaly, like a US marking that didn’t need to be there, Remington just put it away instead of having to try to explain it later.

 

[butchlambert]

Mine is drilled and tapped on the rear bridge for iron sights.

 

[SquibLoad]

Mine is drilled and tapped on the rear bridge for iron sights.

I dipped my toes in the US sniper rifle clone game for a couple years. I believe that barreled action was intended for that. Original parts are very rare and pricey. I bet if we removed the US stamping we wouldn’t even be discussing it. PTG has been caught over the last couple years trying to pass fake parts as original vintage parts. I posted the M24 pics as an example of one instance of them adding rollmarks to a receiver to pass it as something it wasn’t.

They have also tried to pass a Remington 700 base as a original Redfield 40X stamped base as well. Those bases bring stupid $$$ from cloners. The fellow that bought it talked directly to the owner and was told it was authentic…..it was a fake.

Fake Vintage Parts

Guys please be aware of PTG trying to sell fake vintage rifle parts. This is a follow up post from my previous posts about asking if it was a legitimate part. USMCSGT0331 seen the post and with his much appreciated knowledge and feedback it was obviously fake. I’m grateful to have him in this...

www.snipershide.com

Legit 40x base?

www.snipershide.com

 

[SquibLoad]

I do have 40-X barrels marked each way, .308 Win as well as 762 NATO. They did send them out both

A rifle destined for the US military wouldn’t have been stamped 308 Win.

 

[davidjoe]

That “Remington Arms” stamp in your picture has me curious. Does “Arms” designate a military production run? Mine do not have that.

Remington is centered and Arms takes it to the right, as does the M24 below it. I’m thinking if this was merely someone’s idea, it would be self-defeating as inauthentic, and that Remington added those designations either to evaluate options in-house or maybe as part of a small sample run for review by requisitioners. It could have been an abandoned project.

I just can’t see PTG messing around with markings. Buying in volume, yes, and odd lots as well. Being incorrect about what they ended up with is a possibility. I could see that, but making a product they bought resemble a more collectible product through markings, that seems like a very intentional and time consuming form of manipulating the customer. They are too busy and straight forward to be that way, I believe.

 

[davidjoe]

I read the comments below your pictures. Remington Defense no doubt would have had mock-ups such as stainless and short action renderings laying around. PTG only said this is how we received these items from Remington Defense. Military would have no records of a contractor’s in-house experiments they never purchased.

 

[SquibLoad]

I read the comments below your pictures. Remington Defense no doubt would have had mock-ups such as stainless and short action renderings laying around. PTG only said this is how we received these items from Remington Defense. Military would have no records of a contractor’s in-house experiments they never purchased.

Maybe, maybe not

 

[butchlambert]

Maybe, maybe not

Well, what is your point? It is a 700 advertised that they could do the M40 stripper clip cut. Looks like an above board ad.

 

[SquibLoad]

I just can’t see PTG messing around with markings. Buying in volume, yes, and odd lots as well. Being incorrect about what they ended up with is a possibility. I could see that, but making a product they bought resemble a more collectible product through markings, that seems like a very intentional and time consuming form of manipulating the customer. They are too busy and straight forward to be that way,

Well, what is your point? It is a 700 advertised that they could do the M40 stripper clip cut. Looks like an above board ad.

I quoted the wrong post. My point is they do have the ability to do the US stampings. Maybe you missed that part.

Maybe I’m waaayyyy off base here , what are you looking to find out? I believe you know it’s a 40-X action. I have never said different. I was under the assumption you’re asking about the US stamping? If so then answer me this. How was it advertised when it was for sale? If it was advertised as a US stamped 40-X , thats what you got. If it was advertised as some type of left over govt action they found under a shelf I dont think that’s legit.

In the end only PTG knows, we can debate it till we’re blue in the face. I have posted where people have been burned by PTG thinking they bought one thing only to find out otherwise.

ETA— Even DavidJoe said the action looks Cerakoted. I don’t know if it is or isn’t but it certainly doesn’t look like the correct finish

 

[butchlambert]

I quoted the wrong post. My point is they do have the ability to do the US stampings. Maybe you missed that part.

Maybe I’m waaayyyy off base here , what are you looking to find out? I believe you know it’s a 40-X action. I have never said different. I was under the assumption you’re asking about the US stamping? If so then answer me this. How was it advertised when it was for sale? If it was advertised as a US stamped 40-X , thats what you got. If it was advertised as some type of left over govt action they found under a shelf I dont think that’s legit.

In the end only PTG knows, we can debate it till we’re blue in the face. I have posted where people have been burned by PTG thinking they bought one thing only to find out otherwise.

ETA— Even DavidJoe said the action looks Cerakoted. I don’t know if it is or isn’t but it certainly doesn’t look like the correct finish

It is not cerakoted and when I bought it and another, neither were advertised. Dave contacted me and said they were putting them up for sale and did I want a couple.

 

[davidjoe]

I quoted the wrong post. My point is they do have the ability to do the US stampings. Maybe you missed that part.

I believe they would be capable of adding markings. They may believe they are sometimes expected to add a country of origin. This is a screen shot of the ATF marking page.

Because Remington puts most of the information on the barrel, a manufacturer, I’m assuming PTG is so licensed, with such an action and no barrel, especially one it has modified, might feel it is safer to put the country of origin on it, not knowing whether it will ultimately dispose of the action by itself, or not.