30BR...life after H4198

[gunsandgunsmithing]

LT 30 seems to be available quite often. I read a while back that it should work. I would like to see this tried in the 30br with the 118 class bullet.
TY Al.

Yes, as Al said, n130 has been around and used for a long while now but h4198 was available and it's just what almost everyone used. For good reason mostly, as it's hard to beat but I think there are other powders that can and do give equal and sometimes better(or worse) results. Like so many things in this game, if it ain't broke, do what everyone is is doing. Lol! With h4198 being unobtainable, for the most part, we have greater numbers of shooters trying alternatives and having success doing so. Not that h4198 was ever broken but that there are untested powders and combinations that are giving equal results when we are forced to really wring everything out of other combinations, in numbers.

 

[Link]

Can someone tell us how much lt30 would equal 34 gr h4198 -+

ty Don.

 

[Bill Norris]

Can someone tell us how much lt30 would equal 34 gr h4198 -+

ty Don.

Not real sure but I'm loading 33.0 gr. of LT-30 under 125 gr. Nosler A B with fully formed Lapua brass @ 2800 fps with no issues at all.

 

[AlNyhus]

Can someone tell us how much lt30 would equal 34 gr h4198 -+

ty Don.

Don, most end up about a grain higher with LT30 than H4198. -Al

 

[Ccrider]

Can someone tell us how much lt30 would equal 34 gr h4198 -+

ty Don.

Here is a thread where I posted some results with lt30 shooting 108gr. bullets. I started at 34 and worked up to 35+. Shot as well as H4198. Just needed more powder. AI is pretty much spot on with 1 grain more.

30BR

Hey man. I hope I didn't offend you with my fire form bullet assessment, but it seems I may have with your mere mortals comment. I was not downing your efforts. I hope those bullets shoot in the zero's for you. It just hasn't been my experience and I tried pretty hard. If I could have got...

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[Fuj]

Lovex Shooters World powders are back online again. They had
some fast powders just getting tested here in the States, then
covid hit. There SOCOM powder is listed as the equivalent of H-4198.
Probably used a lot overseas to meet REACH compliance where the
4198 does not. Maybe Lauri has some insight on this and what the
shooters are working with over there.....

 

[JSH]

It is frustrating at times when things are intoduced, then all but unobtainable or completely gone.
SR4759, I was told that 5744 was the same, AA3100 it was either 4831 or 4350. Yeah I can read a burn chart, they aren’t the same or what I would even call close really. R26 comes to mind as well.
Subsonic, cracks me up when I see folks pointed towards trail boss, yeah it works. May as well try and grab tinker bell and shake the pixy dust off of her and use that.

I have migrated to some smaller calibers, and they can be/are picky when looking for a case full.
I am going to throw my money at VV, supply may be sparce at times, but at least they are still making them.

 

[nakneker]

Nice to see that 30BR at work. Planning to put mine to work real soon too.

Fun! Share when you do. I’m gonna use this one a few more times and when the pelts start going prime I’ll switch to something else, my buddy likes to keep them and you never know when a bobcat will show up.

 

[Bill Norris]

Fun! Share when you do. I’m gonna use this one a few more times and when the pelts start going prime I’ll switch to something else, my buddy likes to keep them and you never know when a bobcat will show up.

Will do. Hoping to get a chance on a buck soon.

 

[RGRobinett]

< https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/30-br-powder.4102215/page-2#post-38729882 >
Here's a link to another thread. At registered tournaments, I have won/placed/shown with all of those powders. Of more interest are several of the "newer" spherical powders, which provide much greater bulk-density, thus, even though seemingly, "too slow, or, too fast", may produce excellent precision.
Though, according to "QUICK-LOAD" calculation, 5744 was, "better than H-4227", via initial testing/comparing, H-4227 produced better precision . . . but, that was 24 years ago already. RG

 

[AlNyhus]

Though, according to "QUICK-LOAD" calculation, 5744 was, "better than H-4227", via initial testing/comparing, H-4227 produced better precision . . . but, that was 24 years ago already. RG

You might have me backslidin' to my previous ways...mixing H4227 Extreme with H4198 Extreme (H4212.5). Maybe this time I could back out of the throttle earlier.

Good shootin' -Al

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

This doesn’t have much to contribute for load development and may be off subject a bit but I mentioned we were calling today. Shot three this morning with the 30BR Sako 75, the one in the picture was a quick running shot at close range, hit him low with a 125gr TGK, my rifle loves that bullet. Three stands later I shot two more but they were across a canyon full of cat claw and Tameracks, no picture but they dropped where they stood at just under two hundred. I know the 30BR is score machine but it hits coyotes hard, definitely not the rifle to use if you’re saving pelts. A bit graphic, not intentional, it’s just what happened.

DRT

 

[durand mortenson]

When I like others ran out of H4198, I was stuck and got some IMR 4198. AL suggested a better choice would have been N130....next time.

Mort

 

[Bob in WI]

isn't IMR 4198 just one step slower burning than H4198 ? Should work as well.

I don't recall exact numbers but I tried some to fireform cases..I think 32gr was all I could get in the case and speed was way down..2700ish..
IMR seemed bulky compared to H even though they are supposedly neighbors on the burn chart.

 

[ebb]

I thought LT32 was made just for the 30br????

 

[Owens85]

I thought LT32 was made just for the 30br????

Lt30. Lt32 is for 6ppc. Mix them and some guys are using it in the ppc. Lt 31

 

[jackieschmidt]

Al, A couple of weeks before the Nationals at Raton, Ed and I both got some N-130.
35.7 grns gave the same velocity as our 34.8 load of H4198. That being around 3030 fps.

It shot great. So great, I took it to Raton and had a good showing. And it shot the exact same load at 5500 feet altitude and no humidity as it did in Tomball at 200 feet and enough humidity to melt you.

I still have about 14 pounds of H4198. I may never shoot it again.

 

[SRT8]

I know it's old school and it will be a sad day in central Va when I run out!!! but I like the Tubal 2000 I know they don't make it anymore but it shoots good in mine..

 

[Bill Norris]

Al, A couple of weeks before the Nationals at Raton, Ed and I both got some N-130.
35.7 grns gave the same velocity as our 34.8 load of H4198. That being around 3030 fps.

It shot great. So great, I took it to Raton and had a good showing. And it shot the exact same load at 5500 feet altitude and no humidity as it did in Tomball at 200 feet and enough humidity to melt you.

I still have about 14 pounds of H4198. I may never shoot it again.

The few times I have loaded N130 It has done well in both my BR 30BR and my Hunter 30BR. I plan to work up a load with Bart's 112 gr. bullets next in my BR rifle. Not out of H-4198 but just taking a break from it.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

The few times I have loaded N130 It has done well in both my BR 30BR and my Hunter 30BR. I plan to work up a load with Bart's 112 gr. bullets next in my BR rifle. Not out of H-4198 but just taking aa break from it.

Get some of that rl7 while it's available. IME, it's right with h4198 in most guns. It was always my 2nd choice but was better than 4198 in a few barrels. N130 is excellent too but honestly, I never liked it quite as much as rl7 and 4198..fwiw. Of course, ymmv.