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308 Win. best bullet for 500 yard out 20" barrel

Hey guys,
Whats the best Amax bullet for good ballistics I can get out of my 308 Win with a 20" barrel, 1 in 10 twist for 500 yards. I have been looking a lot at the 208 Amax but was wondering if a light weight would be better. like a 168 Amax.
Thanks Anthony
 
I run the 178bthp at 2550fps its shoot consistent.

Recoil management is a part of good shooting if you can handle the recoil then good on you but after 50rds that start to wear on your shoulder. I would use a intermediate bullet in the 175 to 190gr range.

Berger, sierra, and hornady all make great bullet for the 308win
 
It depends a bit on the weight of the gun and your recoil tolerance.

But in the short barrel, you won't get the needed velocity out of the 208. Since you only need 500 yards, the wind isn't going to blow the lighter bullets around too much. If it's a light gun, the 155 will be easier recoil wise.
 
In a short barrel you won't get the velocity needed for the heavy Bullets. I'd go with the 155 class. 168's I think will be iffy. 175's maybe?
 
Thanks a lot for the replys.
It's a Remington VTR . I got this for my son for Christmas. I'm thinking about trying out 175G bullet first. This will be his first rifle.
Anthony
 
AWLEAPHART said:
Thanks a lot for the replys.
It's a Remington VTR . I got this for my son for Christmas. I'm thinking about trying out 175G bullet first. This will be his first rifle.
Anthony
How is your son ? Larry
 
The recoil difference between 155 and 178 is alot .
Myself I would not let a 14 year old shoot a gun that had that much recoil.
My grandchildren all have started with a 23 lb Dasher with a brake and soft loaded 75 GR bullets. Larry
 
It depends on your son's ability to handle recoil mostly. I started my nephew out on 125 gr ballistic tips in his 308. Really easy to shoot and they shot really well. They are devastating on deer. He shot ground hogs out to 300 with it too. You could always test the 125's at 500 yards to see if they give you what you want. My gunsmith gave me this hint when my nephew started and he claimed that his grandson had killed deer at 500 yards with 125 gr BT out of a 308. If the 125's don't do it, the 155's probably would. Let him get used to it and then go bigger/heavier.
Just my.02, Hope it helps.
 
I don't know about "best" but I sure found a good one.

Here's a target from yesterday's outing shooting some 175 TMK's loaded with the same components and charge weight as I use for my 175 SMK's.

This was shot at 300 yards. If the one shot hadn't been pushed the group would have measured closer to what the four shot group did. .154 MOA @ 300 Yards.

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I do like the Sierra TMK's
 
Thanks for the info.
My son shoots my dads 30-06 that i hate because of recoil and it don't both him. My son is a big boy. I see lots of people shooting 175 to 178 too.
Anthony
 
You may want to consider the old standard match load for the M14 since it had a 21 3/4 inch barrel and that may be close enough to your 20 inch for a try. 168 SMK at 2550 fps.
 
You might try the 168 gr Berger Hybrid target bullet. Very high BC and you should be able to get more velocity than a 175. For hunting consider a Barnes 165 TS. It will do the job up to and including elk. Good luck.
 
For paper punching I would shoot 155s, the heavier bullets really only get you more recoil to 500.

If I was loading to hunt, I'd shoot the 165SGKs, (I used the SPBT before i switched to a 7-08 for deer)
 
155.5gr Berger Fullbore. Easy to tune and will shoot well. 46.5gr Varget, Fed 210M, Win brass and seated 10 thou off should be good to go. I had a 20 barreled SPS Tactical that liked 45gr Varget with 155gr Scenar but was only doing 2633fps. The higher charge of varget will de better in the wind. Should be around 2750 to 2800fps I would think.
 
I found for my VTR it shoots 168 Amaxs very well and the 155s work well too. I have it loaded with 168s over varget and out to about 750 it's good past that it gets a little squirrelly but I'm not pushing them teribly hard. Probably could make it better farther out but I have a 6.5 creedmoor for that.
 
The correct answer is whichever bullet shoots well. More specifically, that will largely depend on how long the chamber/throat of your rifle is, and how long (heavy) of a bullet can you load optimally for it. Without knowing that information, any answer you get here about a specific bullet is pure speculation. In general, you'll likely have the best luck loading the longest/heaviest/highest BC bullet you can load optimally in your rifle. That means not sunk way down in the case, or just barely seated in the neck for starters. Add in that within that range, you want to be able to achieve the seating depth where a particular bullet shoots the best. Selecting based on these parameters will help to ensure that you can develop a load with optimal powder burn and get the best velocity [and more importantly, precision] possible out of the relatively short barrel.

So, if you're rifle has a fairly short throat, 155s, or possibly something like the Berger 168 Hybrid or 175 OTM Tactical bullet. Those have sufficiently short bearing surfaces that you don't need a really long freebore to seat them optimally. Possible powders would include Varget, H4895, possibly 8208 XBR. Something a little on the fast side will help get the lighter pills moving in a 20" pipe.

If your rifle has a very generous throat, bullets in the 185-200 gr range would be a possibility. 185 Juggernauts, 185 Hybrids, 200 Hybrids, possibly even 208 A-Max, although those have a very long bearing surface and would require a pretty long throat. Based on the limited info you provided, I'd guess something in the 168-185 gr range might be your best bet, but again that is just a guess and totally depends on your throat.

The bottom line is that you don't need ridiculous velocity to shoot a .308 bullet out to 500 yd, so precision and ease of load development are what I'd be aiming for, regardless of the bullet you choose. The rifle will tell you what the optimal velocity is out of the 20" barrel for a given bullet. In addition, you can run the numbers yourself at JBM Ballistics (or similar), but you will generally find that the longer/heavier bullet with a significant BC advantage will win out over a shorter/lighter lower BC bullet, even though you can push those faster. Unless the BCs are fairly close, it's typically difficult to push the lighter bullets fast enough to overcome the BC deficit.

FWIW - I have a DTA SRS Covert .308 with a 16" 8-twist barrel that I've shot many different factory loads out to 600 yd with no trouble. MVs ranged from ~2500-ish (175s) to mid 2500s (168s), to ~2800 fps (155s). Although clearly not as good as my handloads out of a 30" F-TR rifle, the precision was pretty decent with a few different factory ammos, so you ought to be fine at that distance with your 20" barrel.
I load the 178 AMAX with 41.5 gn IMR4064 and maintaining 1/2 moa pecision is solely dependent on my shooting ability and wind conditions out to 700.That is the longest range I have tried shooting this light recoil load. I rarely see the opportunity to shoot that far and designed this load for out to 500 yd killing/tgt shooting from my 20" 1:10 bbl. Sometimes less can be better.
 

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