Interesting concept. Could you explain why this is? I’m not doubting what you’re saying but I’ve never come across this before.
.300 H & H
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Interesting concept. Could you explain why this is? I’m not doubting what you’re saying but I’ve never come across this before.
The 300 H & H has a greater case capacity.......loaded to the same PSI, the H & H will be faster.
The magic with the 300 WSM is that it is loaded to higher PSI.....no free lunch, and no magic. Form you H & H brass from RWS 375 H & H brass and you can run up the PSI a bit on the H & H.
On the other hand, I have no less than six 300 WSM tubes and not one H & H tube, so there's that.
Tod
centershot
Silver $$ Contributor
What do you think of buying a 300RUM and setting the barrel back. Then re chambering to 300 H & H?
centershot
Silver $$ Contributor
And is it just sitting around??
Kurz
Silver $$ Contributor
Tommie,
I think it helps to include the entire statement for discussion purposes.
If, as in the example of the Weatherby or an Improved version of the .300 H&H using a much sharper shoulder, the powder is reflected by that sharper shoulder into an area of continued burning in the case resulting in a faster release of a greater volume of plasma in a shorter period of time or a sharper blow as perceived by the shooter.
I suggest looking at the two cartridge dimension drawings to see the diameters before proceeding.
I think it helps to include the entire statement for discussion purposes.
Recoil has a component referred to as 'ejecta', which consists of the unburned powder, the plasma (super hot gas) and the bullet while in the barrel but after being lit by the primer. if you work with a recoil calculator, the more powder used in a particular load, the heavier the recoil. Those larger cartridges with longer, mildly tapering shoulders like the .300 H&H (17 degrees approx.) allow the majority of the slower burning powders to be pushed forward from the case into the barrel through primer ignition before being completely consumed and turned into plasma. This in essence, stretches out the recoil moment for many of the inches in the barrel's length resulting in a 'push' rather than the a sharp blow under recoil.
If, as in the example of the Weatherby or an Improved version of the .300 H&H using a much sharper shoulder, the powder is reflected by that sharper shoulder into an area of continued burning in the case resulting in a faster release of a greater volume of plasma in a shorter period of time or a sharper blow as perceived by the shooter.
I suggest looking at the two cartridge dimension drawings to see the diameters before proceeding.
Yes, most of the friends I hunted with have died off or only hunt deer now. So, the .300 H&H just sits. Maybe some day I'll use it again, hard to tell.
LA50SHOOTER
Sworn To Protect The Constitution.
The 300 H & H has a greater case capacity.......loaded to the same PSI, the H & H will be faster.
The magic with the 300 WSM is that it is loaded to higher PSI.....no free lunch, and no magic. Form you H & H brass from RWS 375 H & H brass and you can run up the PSI a bit on the H & H.
On the other hand, I have no less than six 300 WSM tubes and not one H & H tube, so there's that.
Tod
Yes, faster - of course more case capacity equates to the ability to burn more powder - Elementary physics
- Velocity is not everything especially in the "accurate shooter" world. And that's what this web site is geared around.
- I'm not here to have an argument and I don't need a lesson in "free lunch or magic" or for that matter a lesson on either of the 2 cartridges -
One thing I've noticed on here, there are different levels of knowledge and intelligence levels of conversations...............
You asked.....(with some condescension, I might add.....)
Outperforms the WSM at what ??? (I can't wait to hear this)
I answered .......
The 300 H & H has a greater case capacity.......loaded to the same PSI, the H & H will be faster.
And then you proclaim you don't need a lesson.
Make up you mind.
Tod
Hey, I have an Encore in 300 H&H for sale in the ads. Stainless custom shop barrel with brake. Very light and does not have a lot of recoil. You really need one!
I would not buy a RUM to cut the barrel back and rechamber for the Holland. That said, I would not spend a dime to rechamber my FN from H&H to RUM either. They both do the same job about as well.
As long as Remington does not release the RUM brass, & I can buy the H&H about anywhere, the discussion is just an exercise...
As long as Remington does not release the RUM brass, & I can buy the H&H about anywhere, the discussion is just an exercise...
LA50SHOOTER
Sworn To Protect The Constitution.
Tod, Sir,
Firstly, I didn't come to the forum to fight & argue with the members including you.
What you have done is speak on behalf of another member (swd) who I made my initial comment to, then he (swd) "likes" what you've stated to me.
Everyone on here has their own opinion(s) about many things & I realize that. -
This is an "Accuracy" related forum, Not a "Velocity or Speed Test Forum" -
And My Point is that although the 300 H & H cartridge has "earned it's rightful place" in the rifle & shooting discipline - It is NOT superior to the 300 WSM, - I already stated that I believe it has an edge from a "Velocity Standpoint" -
When someone goes out and makes a statement as "swd" did which I believe has little to No merit then somebody will obviously speak out. (And I did - No condescension intended !!)
In my opinion, you would have been better served to let "swd" post his reply as really nothing other than a stupid pissing match has developed out it, which I'm here to put an end too. - That's why I have P.M.'d you. - I'm not asking for an apology or anything else - What I'm saying is Cease & Desist.
- No need for this, it serves no purpose other than harvests hate.
Respectfully, Ron
centershot
Silver $$ Contributor
This is not what I expected. PLEASE!
Tommie,
same reason funnels do not have a 90-degree reduction at the small end where the contents are poured into a smaller container mouth. It was considered that the H&H shallow shoulder acted as a funnel, whereas the sharp shouldered designs can have burning granules bounce off of the shoulder and back into the main charge mass.
same reason funnels do not have a 90-degree reduction at the small end where the contents are poured into a smaller container mouth. It was considered that the H&H shallow shoulder acted as a funnel, whereas the sharp shouldered designs can have burning granules bounce off of the shoulder and back into the main charge mass.
centershot
Silver $$ Contributor
What are your favorite powders?
I think the shallow shoulder is also the reason the brass doesn't need as much trimming. I measured fired cases and was surprised that they don't seem to lengthen as much as some of my other cartridges.
hoz53
Gold $$ Contributor
i have a set of 300 H&H dies but no rifle --this must mean i need one
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