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300 blackout bullets selection

Take a look at Lehigh defense

Controlled Fracturing® Bullets​

Would love too but they’re a little to rich for me. I have however seen em drop some decent deer in there tracks.


I ordered some from mid south last weekend, thanks for the link tho!
 
I am going to be suppressed but I’m not going to go subs on deer, from what I’ve read there’s to much unreliable expansion.

There seems to be a trend going here! Looks like I’m going to have to find some 110 Barnes. Thanks guys, hopefully she can put one in the dirt.
Look at Blue Collar Reloading. They had some a few days ago.
 
Many of the 30-30 bullets work quite well, you just need to be aware of COL. They tend to be fat nosed and will jam in the lands unless loaded pretty short. The Sierra 125 pro hunter Flat Point is a good choice.

Most 308 hunting bullets expand reasonably well down to 1800 fps, 30-30 dedicated bullets down to 1600 so be aware of your velocity and range if you’re counting on expansion instead of shot placement. Shots within 100 yards from 16” or longer barrels are very reliable.

One of the problems with feeding flat point bullets are the feed ramps in a lot of AR barrels. Too many of the cheaper barrels use a standard M4 extension with 22 caliber feed ramps, it’s something to be aware of. You can always open them up, but a true 30 caliber feed ramp cures a lot of the feeding problems people have.

Varmint bullets work well and if you are chasing velocity can be better choices than some of the dedicated Blackout bullets. The reason being, bullets like the Barnes 110 are designed to be loaded at magazine length, vs something like a 125 SST or Vmax that you can move out the neck and gain an extra grain of powder.

Again there are trade offs. The move to faster twists than 1/7 to stabilize subs can be tough on varmint bullets at high velocities. In 8” barrels with a 1/5 you start spinning things over 300,000 rpm. A lot of bullets come apart long before the target.

A lot of the cartridges reputation issues come from self induced errors of thinking any .308 bullet can work. If you match the bullet, barrel, and velocity to the task it’s very effective and reliable.

Bullet manufacturers don’t always help. Nosler was a prime example when they came out with a dedicated subsonic bullet. The jacket is so thin that it damages easily when seating, the profile has such a fat nose that it needs to be seated deep. This leads to compression of a lot of powders which damage the tip of the bullet enough where stability is an issue and accuracy suffers with bullets keyholing. Never mind having such a high velocity threshold for expansion that almost makes the bullet useless.

A subsonic bullet that needs 1000 fps to expand is about the most asinine piece of engineering imaginable. Factory ammo will be loaded to 1050 fps in a 16” barrel, so if used in an 8” barrel, will have an effective range of about 6 yards because it will leave the muzzle at around 1010 fps. or less.

Hand loaders often look for a muzzle velocity just under 1000 fps for better accuracy outside the transonic range and a huge drop in decibels when firing. The Nosler bullet is a poor choice.

It can be a great cartridge within its limitations, but it’s also a victim of its own hype. For all the reasons above and more, what bullet should I hunt with? Or will this bullet work? Can become a complex question.
 
150 GD's are accurate and work great on deer. Nickel entrance, qtr exits. They also expand down to 1500 fps.
2200 fps with 1680 and SW Blkout from a 16" 700 aac. 200 yd group..... 3) 1680, 3) Blkout.
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The Gold Dots are a very under rated, under appreciated bullet. They put more energy on target with not much difference in drop over 200 yards than most 110’s and 125’s, in some cases less.

1/2 MOA capabilities don’t hurt either, but JCM has a habit of doing that with a cartridge not exactly known for tiny groups.
 
Bought the wife a Howa mini 300blk to use this deer season. Having a hard time finding reliable expanding bullets.
My question, Does anyone use a 300 blackout for medium to large sized game? If so what’s your go to bullets and velocity numbers? Thanks!
I've used Speer 130 gr. FP in my 30-30 for both deer and hogs and have full confidence in those bullets and their performance if properly placed. BC is not as great as some .308 bullets, but I've never shot a deer over 250 yds from 1981 until now (that was with a sub-MOA Rem. 700 in 30-06). I just don't need a high BC bullet for deer and hogs.
 
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97 yards, 125 gr SST. Shot placement was key, 30 yards nose shoveling, He has been ate up since this pic was made. Today I use the 150 GD. Wonderfully accurate. Hey JCM 800 good to see you.
 
150gd was the initial bullet I had my heart set on but they’ve been out of stock/backordered everywhere, hence the reason for this post. As of now I have loaded up some 110 vmax, 125 sst and 110 tactx. Hopefully get out this weekend to get some velocity numbers and groups.
 
"Yes" to Dellet being the Source!

I know we are talking about 300BO, and I admit to having recently deciding to convert one of my AR's over to 300HAMR just for fun. This isn't plug for 300HAMR, but rather there is some good cross-over information about alternative bullets that might be useful in 300BO. The 300HAMR is basically an elongated 300BO (case is 0.25" longer), which means a little more powder capacity at the expense of less room for bullets. The 300HAMR has the same 2.26" magazine length restriction so it can't use long pointy bullets like the 110gr Barnes TAC-TX. Instead, the 300HAMR uses flat/round nosed bullets &/or shorter ogive bullets (shorter & squatty), and bullet preference/focus is the 125gr - 150gr bullets.

300HAMR Load Data (Bullet Selection)
 
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I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to add something concerning the use of a 110gr Vmax in a 300 blackout. I'll apologize in advance for the length but I want to share all the information so that people can draw their own conclusions.

Where I'm at, a mature buck will field dress at 200 lbs or more, and a nice doe will field dress at 120 to 130 lbs. In 35 years, I've only seen 3 does that field dressed measurably more than 130 lbs. I'm blessed to hunt a +200 acre farm where 90% of the time I have at least 1 opportunity (per trip) to take a deer home with me. I have a 10.5" and a 16" 300BO upper and for the past few years I've been "fur testing" projectiles to see what works well and what doesn't. Early on I noticed that cheap factory 110gr Vmax ammo shot decent (1 to 1-1/2 moa) from both of my uppers. Normally, I'm looking for 1/2 MOA, but for a 300BO and shots inside 150 yds, I'm fine with 1-1/2 moa. I had been trying to find an accurate load with H110 and Maker 110gr REX bullets, but I couldn't get them to shoot consistently enough for my liking. Sometimes I'd get 1-1/2 moa, but most of the time the groups were 2 moa or bigger. Anyway, I wasn't sure if the 110gr Vmax would be tough enough for deer in my area but figured I'd give try them since I had a bunch of it on hand. I don't shoot these uppers much, so if the cheap factory stuff worked well, I probably would not have continued to look for a better option. I opted to test the 110vmax in my 10.5" upper mainly because it would leave me enough physical room to also take my 24" Grendel (I wasn't willing to use an iffy bullet on a nice buck). Late one morning I had a nice doe walk by me at 12 yards. There was a light snow on the ground so tracking should be easy if needed. As she stopped to eat a few briars as she passed by me. She was just past perpendicular and her head was turned away which gave me a nice quartering away shot. I put the red chevron right behind her leg to avoid damaging any of the meat there. I was basically aiming right at her heart and squeezed the trigger. I could see where the bullet hit because it hit the center of a rib and took it out leaving a big (1-1/2") depression visible under her fur. She only ran about 30 yds which is one of the shorter retrieves I've seen over the course of 300+ deer that we've shot over the years. I put her on the tail gate and drove her out into the middle of the field to field dress her (easier to work on than doing it on the ground). When I dressed her, I was shocked to find a +3" star shaped hole through her liver. My initial thought was that maybe I hit her a lot farther back than I thought I had. I'd also caught the near lung. I got her home and hosed her out, then skinned her. After getting the hide off, I could see that my shot was dead on the money, but upon hitting the rib, the 110gr vmax made a sharp turn (I want to say over 45 degress, but it was AT LEAST 30 degrees) towards the rear and slightly downwards. The remains of the bullet were imbedded in the wall of her chest cavity (did not penetrate out to the hide) about 2" beyond her sternum. I shot her from a tree stand, but that stand is only about 12' off the ground. The flight path should have had the bullet exiting about 4" higher. I took pics of her hanging so I could note the entrance and exit points. Total penetration was only about 8". I immediately decided not to continue using the 110gr Vmax for whitetail. I had a load worked up for 125gr SST so I went out that evening and re-zeroed the upper for that load.

I've only had this happen on 2 other deer in my life, and those two were shot consecutively with the same weapon and projectile. It was in 2002 with a 50 cal Encore Muzzleloader pushing a 140gr pure lead (no alloy, soft) projectile made by PR bullet at 2200 fps. I took a nice doe at 125 yds, and a nice wall hanger at about 10 yds the following weekend. On both deer, the bullet's trajectory altered noticeably on impact, and that was the last time I ever used a pure lead bullet for hunting.

As a side note, last year I used the same 10.5" upper to take a decent doe at 75 yds using Sig 125gr HST. I had 4 boxes that I had picked up at the beginning of Covid (last 4 boxes of 300 blackout in the store at the time). It was a double lung shot and she ran about 100 yds which is normal. The shot was a pass through, and based on the wounding, I'd say the expansion was minimal. Might be an okay choice from a 16" tube, but I'm not sure I'll try to use it again. I bought 2 boxes of 125gr MKZ bullets and found an H110 load that consistently groups around 1" from both of my uppers with good velocity. I'll try that this year :) If they perform anything like the 105gr MKZ I use in my Grendel, I'll probably be tickled with it.
 
I've taken over 120 deer with my .300 Whisper (aka Blackout) using ONLY suppressed loads. Best 2 are Sierra 220 gr. RN (they tumble-like a suppressed bullet should) & expand. Killed a heavy WV 8 pt. at 240 yds. in driving wind/rain. Dropped. This bullet & Lehigh Defense 186 gr. Controlled Chaos are the only 2 bullets I found to drop deer about 95% of the time. I did bullet testing for SSK & Lehigh for many years. These 2 bullets out performed everything else I tried.
 
I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to add something concerning the use of a 110gr Vmax in a 300 blackout. I'll apologize in advance for the length but I want to share all the information so that people can draw their own conclusions.

Where I'm at, a mature buck will field dress at 200 lbs or more, and a nice doe will field dress at 120 to 130 lbs. In 35 years, I've only seen 3 does that field dressed measurably more than 130 lbs. I'm blessed to hunt a +200 acre farm where 90% of the time I have at least 1 opportunity (per trip) to take a deer home with me. I have a 10.5" and a 16" 300BO upper and for the past few years I've been "fur testing" projectiles to see what works well and what doesn't. Early on I noticed that cheap factory 110gr Vmax ammo shot decent (1 to 1-1/2 moa) from both of my uppers. Normally, I'm looking for 1/2 MOA, but for a 300BO and shots inside 150 yds, I'm fine with 1-1/2 moa. I had been trying to find an accurate load with H110 and Maker 110gr REX bullets, but I couldn't get them to shoot consistently enough for my liking. Sometimes I'd get 1-1/2 moa, but most of the time the groups were 2 moa or bigger. Anyway, I wasn't sure if the 110gr Vmax would be tough enough for deer in my area but figured I'd give try them since I had a bunch of it on hand. I don't shoot these uppers much, so if the cheap factory stuff worked well, I probably would not have continued to look for a better option. I opted to test the 110vmax in my 10.5" upper mainly because it would leave me enough physical room to also take my 24" Grendel (I wasn't willing to use an iffy bullet on a nice buck). Late one morning I had a nice doe walk by me at 12 yards. There was a light snow on the ground so tracking should be easy if needed. As she stopped to eat a few briars as she passed by me. She was just past perpendicular and her head was turned away which gave me a nice quartering away shot. I put the red chevron right behind her leg to avoid damaging any of the meat there. I was basically aiming right at her heart and squeezed the trigger. I could see where the bullet hit because it hit the center of a rib and took it out leaving a big (1-1/2") depression visible under her fur. She only ran about 30 yds which is one of the shorter retrieves I've seen over the course of 300+ deer that we've shot over the years. I put her on the tail gate and drove her out into the middle of the field to field dress her (easier to work on than doing it on the ground). When I dressed her, I was shocked to find a +3" star shaped hole through her liver. My initial thought was that maybe I hit her a lot farther back than I thought I had. I'd also caught the near lung. I got her home and hosed her out, then skinned her. After getting the hide off, I could see that my shot was dead on the money, but upon hitting the rib, the 110gr vmax made a sharp turn (I want to say over 45 degress, but it was AT LEAST 30 degrees) towards the rear and slightly downwards. The remains of the bullet were imbedded in the wall of her chest cavity (did not penetrate out to the hide) about 2" beyond her sternum. I shot her from a tree stand, but that stand is only about 12' off the ground. The flight path should have had the bullet exiting about 4" higher. I took pics of her hanging so I could note the entrance and exit points. Total penetration was only about 8". I immediately decided not to continue using the 110gr Vmax for whitetail. I had a load worked up for 125gr SST so I went out that evening and re-zeroed the upper for that load.

I've only had this happen on 2 other deer in my life, and those two were shot consecutively with the same weapon and projectile. It was in 2002 with a 50 cal Encore Muzzleloader pushing a 140gr pure lead (no alloy, soft) projectile made by PR bullet at 2200 fps. I took a nice doe at 125 yds, and a nice wall hanger at about 10 yds the following weekend. On both deer, the bullet's trajectory altered noticeably on impact, and that was the last time I ever used a pure lead bullet for hunting.

As a side note, last year I used the same 10.5" upper to take a decent doe at 75 yds using Sig 125gr HST. I had 4 boxes that I had picked up at the beginning of Covid (last 4 boxes of 300 blackout in the store at the time). It was a double lung shot and she ran about 100 yds which is normal. The shot was a pass through, and based on the wounding, I'd say the expansion was minimal. Might be an okay choice from a 16" tube, but I'm not sure I'll try to use it again. I bought 2 boxes of 125gr MKZ bullets and found an H110 load that consistently groups around 1" from both of my uppers with good velocity. I'll try that this year :) If they perform anything like the 105gr MKZ I use in my Grendel, I'll probably be tickled with it.
I definitely would agree that there are better options for .30 caliber. I actually just started dabbling in reloading so that I could use some 110gr Barnes TTSX loads in my 308 as a lower recoil, flat shooting deer load.

My experience with the 110gr Vmax has been that because it's such a short and stubby bullet being a lead core, and with it expanding or fragmenting (depending on velocity) so aggressively, that it's penetration can be marginal, or it can be knocked off its track very easily. It flattens so much that there isn't a heavy shank to continue propelling it forward in the direction it was initially shot at, so it deviates more easily since it's basically a flat disc after a few inches.

Have you tried the Barnes all copper TacTX in 110gr? My understanding is that they expand at a lower velocity than the TTSX, which is why you see them a lot in the 300BO. They seem to work well, controlled expansion, deep/adequate penetration, and generally no fragmenting to try and pick out.
 
I haven't used any Barnes in my 300. I bought the 16" upper (along with reloading dies, some primed and spent brass, a box of 125gr Vmax, and a handful of loaded ammo) from a friend of mine specifically for my daughter to use for deer. She ended up not caring much for deer hunting (she prefers pheasants), so during Covid I re-did a few things on it to make it more practical or maybe more tactical. Anyway, I've hunted, trained, and competed with this friend of mine since the early 90's. We are both extremely competent hunters and shooters. The only deer in recent history that he's wounded was with this 300 BO using Barnes 110gr projectiles. He felt that the shot looked and felt great, the hit looked good, and the distance was within 100 yds (super easy shot for either of us). There was very little blood trail and he was not able to recover the deer. I know that many of the Barnes projectiles struggle to expand starting at around 2,000 fps. I'm not calling into question whether or not they have a 110gr bullet that's well suited for the 300 BO. I'm just not willing to risk duplicating his experience when I have experience with the MKZ bullets. The MKZ line has always given me extremely impressive results on both paper and fur. I haven't tried their 125gr on fur yet, but on paper it has been accurate and has given me a little more speed than most other 120gr and 125gr options. I'm looking forward to proving it on game in a couple of months. The MKZ bullets do cost quite a bit more than Barnes, but on an average year I might have $60 wrapped up into #150 worth of meat including 30-50 lb of summer sausage and/or snack sticks, so I don't mind spending more on a projectile that I have a lot of confidence in.
 
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