30 BR- LT-30 vs H-4198

[Larry Koch]

I have a question only a long term 30 Br shooter might know?
When I compare velocities and powder charges between the current on the shelf LT 30 powder, my data, and H4198 Accurate shooter data.
They are about the same grain for grain in velocity and case fill.
I'm getting this intel from the threads that have been posted.
It appears that H-4198 isnt going to be made anytime soon or at all.
So the real question is has anyone put the powders side by side to see if they look the same??? Is it the same?
Is it possible LT-30 will be the replacement of H-4198. And H4198 will not be manufactured again??

 

[AlNyhus]

They are most definitely not the same powder. When comparing velocity only, A-B-A will show needing .7-1.0 grain more of LT30 compared to H4198 Extreme.

 

[Chris Roland]

Lt-32 worked in 30br when it first came out, I have not personal shot lt-30 in the 30br but I assure you lt32 will shoot some winning aggs, I put it to the test against some of the stiffest ibs vfs shooters that season shooting h4198 and for me LT pounded x’s, LT32 did not get the speed that h4198 so if I venture back to the br case for score I will have no hesitate to pass h4198 and go straight to LT-30 or even n130.

 

[Bill Norris]

Lt-32 worked in 30br when it first came out, I have not personal shot lt-30 in the 30br but I assure you lt32 will shoot some winning aggs, I put it to the test against some of the stiffest ibs vfs shooters that season shooting h4198 and for me LT pounded x’s, LT32 did not get the speed that h4198 so if I venture back to the br case for score I will have no hesitate to pass h4198 and go straight to LT-30 or even n130.

LT-32 does much better in the 30BR than the LT-30 in my rifles anyway.

 

[Murray Brook]

@Bill Norris
Have you tried Lt-32 in a 6 ppc. If yes how was it. TKS

 

[Bill Norris]

@Bill Norris
Have you tried Lt-32 in a 6 ppc. If yes how was it. TKS

Tried LT-30 in PPC just briefly but not LT-32

 

[Larry Koch]

Interesting, I been getting the same velocity out of LT30 as many post the same load with H 4198. I don’t feel like I’m leaving anything on the table. We haven’t had any decent weather during a match in the last 3 months. Not the norm. Anyway to get a good read on how its overall performance.

 

[Chris Roland]

Interesting, I been getting the same velocity out of LT30 as many post the same load with H 4198. I don’t feel like I’m leaving anything on the table. We haven’t had any decent weather during a match in the last 3 months. Not the norm. Anyway to get a good read on how its overall performance.

I agree with this 100% Lt-30 should be a better fit for the 30br than LT-32 being just a tad on the slow side in burn, the load of LT-32 I was shooting at that time was a full 1.5gr over the h4198 load and still 30fps slower, we couldn’t get n130 at the time and lt30 hadn’t become available yet, iv really been thinking about hanging the ppc’s up and going back to the br for both group and score, they flat out agg day in and day out. If a ppc ain’t right they will drive you bonkers, the br seems to be much more forgiving

 

[JimPag]

Interesting, I been getting the same velocity out of LT30 as many post the same load with H 4198. I don’t feel like I’m leaving anything on the table. We haven’t had any decent weather during a match in the last 3 months. Not the norm. Anyway to get a good read on how its overall performance.

I have never got the same velocity with the same grain load using LT30 vs H4198 and I did a lot of experimentation when the first batch of LT30 came out in 2015. I bought 176 pounds of the stuff initially and found that lot took one grain to equal the velocity of 4198. The reason I bought so much of that crap was because I listened to Mudica touting that the stuff was going to give you 150-200 fps faster velocity using the same charge as 4198 and that might of been the pre production stuff but when they released it that powder was not the same. I have zero experience with the new lots but am quite familiar with the 12-18-14 one. I only have 16 pounds left of that lot because it never came close to giving me the results that N130 or H4198 did sold I sold most of it to a few guys who use it down south. I still have a ton of N130 and H4198 and in my opinion those two powders I'd us before I'd ever consider using LT30 again.

 

[Larry Koch]

I have never got the same velocity with the same grain load using LT30 vs H4198 and I did a lot of experimentation when the first batch of LT30 came out in 2015. I bought 176 pounds of the stuff initially and found that lot took one grain to equal the velocity of 4198. The reason I bought so much of that crap was because I listened to Mudica touting that the stuff was going to give you 150-200 fps faster velocity using the same charge as 4198 and that might of been the pre production stuff but when they released it that powder was not the same. I have zero experience with the new lots but am quite familiar with the 12-18-14 one. I only have 16 pounds left of that lot because it never came close to giving me the results that N130 or H4198 did sold I sold most of it to a few guys who use it down south. I still have a ton of N130 and H4198 and in my opinion those two powders I'd us before I'd ever consider using LT30 again.

I’m shooting the new LT30 on the market Now. 34.5 grain at 80 degrees and above I get 3050 fps . 35.1 grains today 60 degrees 3100 fps. 112 grain bullet. I never shot any h4198 because it hasn’t been available since I started VFS shooting, About 3 years ago. A local club shoots all year long. The group club shoot 7 months a year March thru September. Then they chase deer. I like my meat wrapped in cellophane.

 

[Chris Roland]

I’m shooting the new LT30 on the market Now. 34.5 grain at 80 degrees and above I get 3050 fps . 35.1 grains today 60 degrees 3100 fps. 112 grain bullet. I never shot any h4198 because it hasn’t been available since I started VFS shooting, About 3 years ago. A local club shoots all year long. The group club shoot 7 months a year March thru September. Then they chase deer. I like my meat wrapped in cellophane.

That’s good info to hear on the new lot of lt30, iv never shot any of it but have plans to soon, I will say h4198 is not the only winning combo in a 30br, that’s the beauty of the beast. It’s sure is a fun cartridge to shoot

 

[Larry Koch]

Just an observation if you go to Hodgdon website and do a load search on 30BR.
The only powder in the whole Hodgdon family that comes up is LT30.
That‘s why I think H-4198 is being replaced with LT-30. And may be the same as of the current lots on the market.
Just a observation.

 

[R.Morehouse]

@Bill Norris
Have you tried Lt-32 in a 6 ppc. If yes how was it. TKS

LT-32 works fine in the 6ppc. At 28.2 I get great accuracy at 3300ish fps. with a 68 BT. I only use a 4" drop tube and my case fill is right where I want it to be......I use lot #3,

Regards
Rick

 

[Murray Brook]

LT-32 works fine in the 6ppc. At 28.2 I get great accuracy at 3300ish fps. with a 68 BT. I only use a 4" drop tube and my case fill is right where I want it to be......I use lot #3,

Regards
Rick

Thanks Rick.
The reason I ask is I am able to source some 8#'s so I may just get some. Not sure of what the lot # it is.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I cannnot get T-30 to shoot as good as H4198. It shoots pretty darned good, but the way the game is played now, that’s not good enough.

As of late, I have switched to VV N130.

 

[Larry Koch]

Jackie what kind of velocity are you getting out of N130. I've tried it a little this summer, and put it on the back burner. Wasnt shooting as well as Lt30, in the heat of summer. Might give it another go.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Jackie what kind of velocity are you getting out of N130. I've tried it a little this summer, and put it on the back burner. Wasnt shooting as well as Lt30, in the heat of summer. Might give it another go.

Larry, I shot it at The Nationals, and it shot quite well. I shot a 250 20x at 100, but I had 3 shots that were so close to the X that I had them rescored. They did not quite make it, but that tells me that I was just a few thousanths of shooting 23X’s in some challenging conditions.

My testing since has showed that it might be a little better than both 4198 and LT-30.

It shot just as well at 200. The one 9 I shot was so close they checked it with the reticle.

It is a little slower than both 4198 and LT-30. I am shooting 35.7 grns of it at an average 3025 FPS. I have not gone any higher because the accuracy is dead on. I consider it the best alternative to H4198.

 

[Larry Koch]

I will give it another try after the last match of the year. Thanks again for the J-4 Jackets, was able to score some more from Bullet Central at a fair price. Making your own bullets is just another angle to achieving the best in accuracy.

 

[JimPag]

Just an observation if you go to Hodgdon website and do a load search on 30BR.
The only powder in the whole Hodgdon family that comes up is LT30.
That‘s why I think H-4198 is being replaced with LT-30. And may be the same as of the current lots on the market.
Just a observation.

LT30 is not replacing H4198.

 

[Larry Koch]

LT30 is not replacing H4198.

Okay, is there a time line of H-4198 coming out???