270 Winchester still the Greatest
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TheOtherZilla
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I don't think there is a greatest.. The 270 still gets it done.. I and my family have killed a butt load of elk [many big bulls] with a 270 and a 130 Nosler partition. One big Canadian bull moose fell to the 270/160 Barnes. Tons of deer and antelope have been harvested as well..
FJIM said:
I own few hunting rifles and I'm also fan of the 270. When I move to Co 1977 I shot my first bull with 7mag and deer with a 270.
38yrs later and I've never hunted elk with 270 and that's by choice. My current 270 has Lilja barrel @ 24 1/2" long and took pretty nice early high country 4x5 buck above 10K with Nosler 150gr ABLR @ 2959fps this year.
I just like little be more than 270 offers on bull elk tag units I hunt in.
I don't know if its best....but its DAMN good.....but discussions like this are like the ancient greek pastime when they would argue about how many sprits can dance on the head of a pin!!! If it cant chew on your jeans....then the 270 will get the job done period. it kills things well....and how much deader than dead are you after??
Well you know when anyone disrespects the .270 Winchester that's when you know they don't have a clue,are not Hunters and have no idea about external ballistics. In other words bull shitters.. those who Hunt with the .270 Win are Killers, game baggers..
O my the controversial .270 Winchester..It's been that way since I was a kid..But Hunters know..
I lit it and you ran with it.
O my the controversial .270 Winchester..It's been that way since I was a kid..But Hunters know..
I lit it and you ran with it.
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riflelooney said:
Since I never killed or hunted bull elk with 270 it be pretty hard for me to speculate about using one for that. Couple years ago had 270Wby build and it's been on one cow elk hunt and was back up rifle deer tag this year.
You may disagree on what I want to hunt with and that's fine.
The 270 is absolutely a great cartridge along with the 30 06 and several others. But who cares which is the "greatest" - those discussions are for the theory thinkers not hunters.
In my opinion there is way too much emphasis on which cartridge is the "best" when there is a whole host of cartridges that are more than adequate for the job. This is especially true for deer hunting.
Where the emphasis should be placed is on field marksmanship. I doubt if a white tail deer will ever know the difference between a properly placed shot from a 270, 30 06, 308, 260, 6.5x55, etc.
In my opinion there is way too much emphasis on which cartridge is the "best" when there is a whole host of cartridges that are more than adequate for the job. This is especially true for deer hunting.
Where the emphasis should be placed is on field marksmanship. I doubt if a white tail deer will ever know the difference between a properly placed shot from a 270, 30 06, 308, 260, 6.5x55, etc.
Yes, it gets the job done...but I've never understood it's popularity or appeal. Sure, there are others as well, but within the same family, the '06 will do anything the 270 will do, while offering a much better bullet selection....and the .280 outright beats the 270 in every aspect...even being throttled back by 5,000psi less max pressure by SAAMI. Loaded to equal pressures in a good bolt action rifle, the advantage is even more apparent than with factory offerings. Popularity derived from marketing drives the only edge the 270 may hold over the 280. That being availability of factory ammo at the local mart.
gunsandgunsmithing said:
^^^^^^ The above is very true. As I stated in my first response, there are other cartridges the .270's equal or better. However, with today's bullets, from Barnes Tipped Triple Shocks, to Accubonds, Interbonds and A-Frames, for the larger game and "old-school" bullets for deer, will any of the "better than the .270" cartridges K-I-L-L antlered game out to 400 yards, any better? Put an excellent bullet into the lungs and destroy them, can any of "them" survive for very long? Will a .280 Rem, 6.5 x 284's, 30-06's kill the Elk any "more dead" than the .270 can? Will they run away for less of a distance, when the heart and lungs are shredded? The bottom line is, is that ANY of the cartridges in the same "league" as the .270 is no better or worse when the proper bullet is placed in the proper place on the animal in question. So whether one is "better", is really a question designed to extract personal opinion(s), based on personal experience or prejudices...
Dead is dead...but that isn't the only measure in what makes a cartridge better or worse than another. There's plenty of subjective reasoning that comes into what someone shoots and why. My post was not about subjective differences, but rather, it's based on non subjective things such as velocity, energy, recoil energy, ballistics and simply component and ammo availability from the various makers.As I said..it'll get the job done, and we'll beyond 400 yards in the right hands and conditions.....almost as well as a 280.ShootDots said:
ShootDots said:
Very well said. 270, 280, 30-06. All do the job and do it well. There is nothing you can kill with one that you can't kill with the other. You find a rifle you like in any of these calibers and your in business. The bullet selection nowadays really helps level the playing field. I have all the calibers above and my factory pre-64 mod70 shoots right with my custom 280 and I would not hesitate for a moment to take it on an elk hunt. Had to remove the spacer in the mag box to seat bullets out far enough, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Small differences in case capacity, ballistic coefficients and cartridge efficiency don't kill any less or more. Your .xxx may have a higher ball. Coefficient, use 5 grains less powder and has 100 more horsepower, but the .270 still finishes the race.
Does a .3xx hit harder when an animal is running? i don't shoot at anything running that's larger then a rabbit.... or a coyote.Daveinjax said:
I don't hunt elk with my .270 but I wouldn't condone anyone who does though. The only difference between one who chooses the .270 and one who chooses a .3xx is maximum effective range. Running, standing still, quartering, jumping jacks whatever... Sometimes you just have to watch a beatiful animal get away..
I would like to say that there are people who have killed elk with many different calipers. I my elf have killed elk an d yes many of them big with 24,25,26,27,28,30,33. And is what I can tell you is that they all killed very effectively. Now I will say there is a difference in how they all kill. What I have found is the shock goes up with frontal area. As long as you keep apples to apples. If you shoot a three hundred grain Berger in a 338 edge you can not shoot a 140 partition in the 6.5-06. So if you shoot long range Accubonds vs Accubonds in two different calipers they will both kill elk very clean and humanly. Caliber is not as important as using the correct bullet for the job at hand. The sooner people figure this out the sooner these conversations end there is no best only in our minds. Try them all
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