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260AI "Palma" brass v 260 Lapua brass

I will pass on what I believe to be the optimum .260 Ackly load. Mine is a 30 inch barrel and with 45.6 g of H4350 gets 2950 with Berger Hybrids and Fed210ms with a 3 shot group of .004 over the bullet diameter. This with NO flattening. Barrel life should be good, brass life should be good, life is good. I have a .297 neck, gun is custom.
 
I will pass on what I believe to be the optimum .260 Ackly load. Mine is a 30 inch barrel and with 45.6 g of H4350 gets 2950 with Berger Hybrids and Fed210ms with a 3 shot group of .004 over the bullet diameter. This with NO flattening. Barrel life should be good, brass life should be good, life is good. I have a .297 neck, gun is custom.
I shot ten shots at 300 with the Palma brass, BR4's,140 Berger LRBT, 45.5 RL 16, 2960 FPS, 1/2" horizontal, 1 5/8" verticle. 30" Brux, Panda F Class action, .297 neck. I think the verticle may be neck tension. Will work on it some more.
 
I run a 7mm08AI and run RL19, H4350 fine with CCI450 primers. Several people in Australia have run 260AI with palma brass with varied powders to great success aswell.

In my 7mm08AI, the case life is awesome running 180gr and H4350.
What kind of velocity are you getting from your 7-08 improved?
 
I can't comment on 260 / 260AI, but in 308, the Palma case usually needs around an extra half-grain of powder compared to the standard version to produce the same MVs. My lots of the pair have near identical fireformed capacity, so it's not a capacity issue in this instance. It's generally ascribed to the less powerful primer and the small dia. flash-hole which changes the charge burn rate / behaviours. A 1gn water capacity variance will affect pressures and MVs too.

In 308 with 'heavies' SR Magnums / BRs happily and reliably ignite charges as high as 47 and 48gn of relatively slow burners such as Viht N150/550. I'll shortly try N160 , N560, and N165 in 7mm-08 with heavy bullets in a long-throated 7mm-08 in reformed Palma brass, so will see how the small primers work out with them compared to the standard Lapua case.

In several years experience with these cases in 308 Win for FTR, I've had trouble (hangfires) with one ball powder (H. CFE223), but good results with another (H414). The only other ignition issue I've seen has been performance (reduced MVs / increased ES values) with some extruded single-base powders in temperatures below 5-deg C (~40 F), but again it was powder grade specific even with a single make.
Laurie, would you mind sharing a bit more about that 7-08 you reference? If you have another thread started on it, pls let me know... Thx!
 
Hello Mark. I've been slowly working loads up for a 'baby F-Class' rifle for short and mid-range matches in 7mm-08 with a 31-inch barrel and a long-freebore chamber to allow the use of heavier bullets than the 140s/150s that are the norm in sporting rounds restricted to COALs of 2.8 inches or so. (Most bullets in my chamber see COALs up at ~2.95".)

My original game plan was to use the 168gn Berger VLD. To be competitive with an equivalent 6.5 and the higher BC 140s, it had to match or better their MVs, the 7mm 168 and better 6.5 140s having very similar BCs. So, I needed to get 2,800 fps or more.

As with all the best 'cunning plans', the 168 VLD one flopped - the barrel simply doesn't like it irrespective of powder or jump. The 162 AMAX showed some promise, but my early loads were all too low velocity.

So, I spent the back end of last year working on heavier bullets and slower powders. The barrel likes Sierras and has done well with the new 160gn TMK, the old but excellent tangent ogive 175gn MK even better, and has also shot the 180gn MK well, all with Viht N160, but the recoil was getting higher with the 180 than I want with this cartridge, so the 160 and 175 look like being my bullets in this rifle. The relatively low BC 150gn Lapua Scenar-L has also formed the basis of a cracking short-range load - groups very well, good elevations, and light recoil.

As winter closed in I was experimenting with Viht N165 and the 175 SMK in heavily compressed loads in Winchester brass to be able to stuff more powder in than the Lapua cases will hold. It looks promising with initial 3-round batches, but I'll need to see if it stands up in five-round lots.

So far, the reformed small primer Lapua brass hasn't shown any great benefits, but if and when I have to try double-based powders to get more velocity, that should be when this case comes into its own.

Overall though ............... it's easier to get a good straight 284 and shoot 175/180s, keeping loads and pressures down to improve barrel life if needed. The 7-08 is just that bit short of powder capacity. I had considered the 7-08AI and in hindsight, that would probably have been a better option, the extra bit of powder capacity making a real difference.
 
Hello Mark. I've been slowly working loads up for a 'baby F-Class' rifle for short and mid-range matches in 7mm-08 with a 31-inch barrel and a long-freebore chamber to allow the use of heavier bullets than the 140s/150s that are the norm in sporting rounds restricted to COALs of 2.8 inches or so. (Most bullets in my chamber see COALs up at ~2.95".)

My original game plan was to use the 168gn Berger VLD. To be competitive with an equivalent 6.5 and the higher BC 140s, it had to match or better their MVs, the 7mm 168 and better 6.5 140s having very similar BCs. So, I needed to get 2,800 fps or more.

As with all the best 'cunning plans', the 168 VLD one flopped - the barrel simply doesn't like it irrespective of powder or jump. The 162 AMAX showed some promise, but my early loads were all too low velocity.

So, I spent the back end of last year working on heavier bullets and slower powders. The barrel likes Sierras and has done well with the new 160gn TMK, the old but excellent tangent ogive 175gn MK even better, and has also shot the 180gn MK well, all with Viht N160, but the recoil was getting higher with the 180 than I want with this cartridge, so the 160 and 175 look like being my bullets in this rifle. The relatively low BC 150gn Lapua Scenar-L has also formed the basis of a cracking short-range load - groups very well, good elevations, and light recoil.

As winter closed in I was experimenting with Viht N165 and the 175 SMK in heavily compressed loads in Winchester brass to be able to stuff more powder in than the Lapua cases will hold. It looks promising with initial 3-round batches, but I'll need to see if it stands up in five-round lots.

So far, the reformed small primer Lapua brass hasn't shown any great benefits, but if and when I have to try double-based powders to get more velocity, that should be when this case comes into its own.

Overall though ............... it's easier to get a good straight 284 and shoot 175/180s, keeping loads and pressures down to improve barrel life if needed. The 7-08 is just that bit short of powder capacity. I had considered the 7-08AI and in hindsight, that would probably have been a better option, the extra bit of powder capacity making a real difference.
Thank you for the update!
 
I get MV around 2750 to 2780fps with 180gr VLD and SMK in my 2 7mm08AI barrels. Both running H4350. 162gr Amax I get at 2830fps which is a light load. Have gotten them to 2950fps approx before though.
 

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