25-06
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284winner
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Releasing right ? Haven't actually seen any released.
Aside from private purchases, i really haven't seen much of anything lately...
284winner
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Just curious. So by private purchases do you mean people have acquired some already ?
This is a more generic comment with regard to the lack of components in the marketplace in general as opposed to being able to find and buy components from the members here.
The statement has no bearing on the Berger bullets directly at all.
With my limited experience of 50+ years using the 25-06, I would just say, 'if you would like to shoot more than the 120 grain bullets, get a 270 Winchester'. I'm just not a 'heavy for caliber' guy. Lots of opinions on this and I will admit limited knowledge. But elk hunting in the Bob Marshall and using a 25 with 135 grain bullets, is not as good as a 270 with 150 grain when the grizzly bear comes. After the grizzly got my 6 point elk I killed with a 270, I used a 300 Win Mag. When the bear comes to the sound of the shot, It will take the 'macho' right out of you, no matter how big the gun you have. Like the man said "Use enough gun".
284winner
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All True stuff for certain BUT I'm building my .25-284 not because I know that the .270 will do anything or more, but because I just want a 25-284. It rivals the .270 in a certain area for me and my personal needs. The .270 will get it done easily as my 6.5-284 will even better but I'm liking the new heavier bullets (eventually) coming out and pretty excited to get it out to the range. More of a "New Gun" thing than other guns in my safe will do the same.
I certainly understand, if I was younger I might be doing the same thing. I'm trying to empty the safe, not add to it. My shooting, other than the range, is gophers and ground squirrels, not much need for the bigger stuff. I mostly shot my 17HMR, 17 Hornet and 204 Ruger last trip, but I have the 25-06 along to reach out there if the opportunity arises. There is a lot of 'new' calibers to play with, I hope you enjoy your time with them.
Tite Groups, George
284winner
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Funny but that's exactly my feeling. Retired and enjoy this stuff. I decided to pass down many of my older rifles I used for hunting most of my life and those that were passed on to me to my kids and grandkids already. I figure why wait till I die or get in my 80-90s ( if I make it there) before passing them down. My kids and grand kids can get the use of them now for many years. Now I can build new rifles in caliber/cartridge design I prefer and want to play with. Empty and refill is what I'm doing. At some point it'll stop and I'll just play with them for my remaining time.
Doing the same as,.. 284winner and Kittitas George,..
Already gave away about,.. 30-40 % of my Guns to, the Grand kids and still have, more than I "need" and have time for,.. LOL !
I enjoy it, when they use, my old guns to target shoot, alongside me or, get to Hunt with, them.
I still HAVE, at least,.. ONE of everything that, I "need" !
Gave away all of, my .22's & .22 Mags to G-kids,.. then, "built" me, a Custom 10-22, Ruger for Sage Rats,...
YUP,.. Found out that, I missed that, Lil' .22 Caliber !
Already gave away about,.. 30-40 % of my Guns to, the Grand kids and still have, more than I "need" and have time for,.. LOL !
I enjoy it, when they use, my old guns to target shoot, alongside me or, get to Hunt with, them.
I still HAVE, at least,.. ONE of everything that, I "need" !
Gave away all of, my .22's & .22 Mags to G-kids,.. then, "built" me, a Custom 10-22, Ruger for Sage Rats,...
YUP,.. Found out that, I missed that, Lil' .22 Caliber !
Most of my rifle focus is on hunting. I enjoy shooting matches, but i look at them more as to help improve my shooting for hunting.
That being said, i find myself adding more 25 caliber rifles.
First one was a Ruger 77 MKII in 257 Roberts. I had searched for one for years, until finding one in my price range.
I rebarreled my Stevens 200 from the shot out 7mm-08AI with a 24" sporter barrel in 250 Savage.
And after buying a barrel in 257 Roberts, i built a Savage 111 in 257 Roberts AI.
Yesterday i ran accross a Ruger 77 MKII in 25-06, that was almost begging to come home with me.
And i'm still waiting (impatiently) on my 250 Savage barrel for my Benchrest build.
For my hunting 250 Savage i'm using 75gr Sierra HP, 90gr BlitzKing, 100gr Ballistic Tip.
Standard 257 Roberts gets 90gr BlitzKings, 100 & 115gr BT, 115gr Berger VLD.
257 AI i'm looking more at the 115gr BT, VLD, along with some 120gr HPBT GameKings that i have.
I really want to try the new 110gr Tipped GameKings! Now if they were available.
That being said, i find myself adding more 25 caliber rifles.
First one was a Ruger 77 MKII in 257 Roberts. I had searched for one for years, until finding one in my price range.
I rebarreled my Stevens 200 from the shot out 7mm-08AI with a 24" sporter barrel in 250 Savage.
And after buying a barrel in 257 Roberts, i built a Savage 111 in 257 Roberts AI.
Yesterday i ran accross a Ruger 77 MKII in 25-06, that was almost begging to come home with me.
And i'm still waiting (impatiently) on my 250 Savage barrel for my Benchrest build.
For my hunting 250 Savage i'm using 75gr Sierra HP, 90gr BlitzKing, 100gr Ballistic Tip.
Standard 257 Roberts gets 90gr BlitzKings, 100 & 115gr BT, 115gr Berger VLD.
257 AI i'm looking more at the 115gr BT, VLD, along with some 120gr HPBT GameKings that i have.
I really want to try the new 110gr Tipped GameKings! Now if they were available.
25-06 AI and 257 AI here. Loaded with 131 blackjacks will take anything in North America. 3200+ fps (3160 for the 257 AI) Will have no issues with a bull moose or kodiak provided you can place a decent shot. If 357mag and 44mag can drop a grizzly, I have no reservations about a rifle round with 50+ grains of powder and > 120gr bullet.
As you can tell, a few of us strongly believe I the modern loaded, and correctly twisted .257 rifles. Unfortunately the heavy bullets are nowhere to be found until supply can catch up. Blackjack depends on Sierra for mfg and Berger has been silent since their “release” statement for the 133 & 135 bullets.
As you can tell, a few of us strongly believe I the modern loaded, and correctly twisted .257 rifles. Unfortunately the heavy bullets are nowhere to be found until supply can catch up. Blackjack depends on Sierra for mfg and Berger has been silent since their “release” statement for the 133 & 135 bullets.
I don't believe any of the Alaska guides carry a 25 caliber with heavy bullets. I wouldn't bet on a 357 or 44 to save my bacon either. The experts will tell you "better off with bear spray". Unless your descended from 'Karamoja Bell' with more guts than brains "carry enough gun". A 25-06 with 6 grains more bullet than I use for prairie dogs and deer/antelope is not a gun for the biggest bears in America, that is foolish or inexperience. Have you ever seen the tracks or a mature grizzly in the wild at close range? It will scare the 'macho' right out of you!
I’ve spent quite a few summers in AK, with family that lived there for over 30 years. Stood 5 feet from an 8’ tall Kodiak with only a window between us. He was much more interested in the salmon on the grill outside than he was in me. Had a 12ga loaded with 3” slugs by the door. Just left him to finish his snack then went back out on the river to catch more salmon, after he went back into the woods.
I also never said that a 25cal what the guides carry, but that I would trust mine to do the job. I would still prefer a semi-auto/pump shotgun for bear country, but a hot loaded magnum revolver does the trick too. Like all animals, bears are not armored magical beasts. They have vitals which explode under the same hydrostatic pressure as any other animal.
Back on topic:
The new 131-135gr bullets are far more capable than the light flat base, round-nose, soft-points typically used in this caliber. Much better penetration and stopping power. Especially when combined with a cartridge that generates ample energy.
Met a man quite a few years ago, with extensive experience as a game warden and guide in Africa, Canada and Alaska. He was guiding (protecting) scientist in the Taku Glacier area. He killed a number of bears, he used a pump 3", 12 gauge with #4 buckshot. Some times the bears 'false' charge, but if they stood up, he shot them in the neck. He must have had nerves of steel, bears are close when they 'lift'. None of the 'old time' pistol writers, Elmer Keith (inventor of the 44mag? & 41 mag), Skeeter Skelton, Ed McGivern ever shot a bear with a pistol, or never wrote about it. The area I frequent in Montana has quite a few grizzlies, the bears are 'people smart'. Our rancher friend formerly chased them out of his calving area on a ATV (4 wheeler), a sow chased him. Now the calving grounds are enclosed in 5 strands of hot wire. Deer and elk hunting just isn't enjoyable there any longer. I quit hunting in the Bob Marshall a number of years ago after 2 bear experiences in 3 days. I received pictures of a sow with 2 cubs in the pasture below the cabin a couple of weeks ago. The neighbor put the run on them, right up the driveway to the cabin. I go to the mountains or back country for enjoyment, grizzly bears are not part of MY enjoyment.
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