22 nosler bolt gun

[No manches"]

What caliber are you speaking of?

22 nosler

 

[No manches"]

What weight bullet?

I use 40 vmax and black hole 45grn cup base HP

 

[Brownie36]

What f/sec?

 

[searcher]

I've heard the 22 Nosler brass is far from good. So disappointing because the 20 Nosler they were supposed to come out with but have yet to do so looked like it could be a really fun cartridge to run in an AR build with the Berger 55's. Even their 22 Nosler would make for a fun AR build but not if brass sucks.

Do they start losing primer pockets right away or is the brass just crappy all the way around??

If one runs their ammo to the max - brass like will be greatly shortened - whether .223, .22 nosler or whatever. I run my .22 Nosler at a slightly reduced velocity and it gives me far mor than I get with a .223 - no big heating problems - not noticeable Recoil, etc. I get 8 firings on my A/R. Run them red hot and you might get two or three.

 

[JSH]

I play with a 22 Nosler in a bolt gun. Don’t know what to tell ya if your not gaining over the 223 with 75-77’s. Would take a hard look at my chrono maybe?

22-250 for PD’s and see impact, weight is your friend. I don’t spot and stalk, my lite rigs weigh 20+ pounds, a few others weigh close to 40. Imho the 22-250 isn’t needed for 90% of colony type varmints, unless you are wanting to step wayyyy out and shoot less.
A long barreled 1-10” twist 28-30” bull barrel zero free bore will send 40’s at 4000fps and a lot less recoil.

 

[No manches"]

What f/sec?

After fiddling around with primer flow into my firing pin hole..and stoosh of me didn't know my firing pin needed adjustment. I load IMR xbr8208 26.2grn for a very consistent 3810fps. Some have told me is a stout load but it doesn't show any primer flattening, "at all"..

 

[No manches"]

I play with a 22 Nosler in a bolt gun. Don’t know what to tell ya if your not gaining over the 223 with 75-77’s. Would take a hard look at my chrono maybe?

22-250 for PD’s and see impact, weight is your friend. I don’t spot and stalk, my lite rigs weigh 20+ pounds, a few others weigh close to 40. Imho the 22-250 isn’t needed for 90% of colony type varmints, unless you are wanting to step wayyyy out and shoot less.
A long barreled 1-10” twist 28-30” bull barrel zero free bore will send 40’s at 4000fps and a lot less recoil.

I have two chrono's. 1 is a cheap cadwell and the other is a magnito speed. Have shot my loads though both and they show similar speed.
Short info" I have a custom 223 with 0.035 longer leade/free bore and shoot the same 77 SMK with 26grns cfe223 to make 2940fps.

22 nosler 77 SMK with 28.5 leverevolution to make 3075fps
Not much of a gain is it?
Then again it might just be my rifle.
Who knows!

 

[No manches"]

If one runs their ammo to the max - brass like will be greatly shortened - whether .223, .22 nosler or whatever. I run my .22 Nosler at a slightly reduced velocity and it gives me far mor than I get with a .223 - no big heating problems - not noticeable Recoil, etc. I get 8 firings on my A/R. Run them red hot and you might get two or three.

Hodgon website. They don't show data on leverevolution for 22 nosler. But I am under CFE 223 using a slower burning powder.....(is this running them hot?) Remember this is for AR platform load data to be at or under 55kpsi*

 

[TheCZKid]

So loads for this caliber are maxed out at 55,000 lbs of pressure for ar 15. I’m getting 3550 ft/sec out of a 223 ai bolt gun with a 50 gr bullet . Was hoping I could beat that speed with the 22 nosler in a bolt gun but can’t find any load data for bolt action guns. Anybody got any info ?

Nosler has this page with multiple bullet weights, including 50/52/53

22 Nosler Load Data

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www.nosler.com

 

[JSH]

I was using H380, and in all fairness my barrel is 28”. I watched my speeds, I was at a full case before I got accuracy I was after. I didn’t see any brass problems.

 

[flatlander]

I believe any cartridge with a rebated rim (rim dia smaller than case body dia) is going to give problems with loose primer pockets when ran hard. I've seen this issue in experience with 284 Win in my LR prone rifles, and had guys who ran 6-284 varmint rifles tell me the same thing. Believe it's a bolt thrust thing, combined with the fact that the smaller dia case head isn't as strong as one that's the same dia as the case body. In the case of the 22 Nosler, it sounds to me as though brass hardness (or lack thereof) is also a factor.

I've worked with the Howa Mini actions quite a bit, having custom bbls on them in 20 Tactical, 223AI, 22 Grendel, 6RAT, and 6.5 Grendel. I like the size of the action - which is comparable to a Sako Vixen - for smaller cartridges, and would like to build one chambered for the 22PDK (6.8 SPC necked down w/30* shoulder) if Howa made bolts with the correct boltface, as I have a custom AR15 in this chambering, and think it would be fun to work with in a bolt rifle.

 

[No manches"]

In the case of the 22 Nosler, it sounds to me as though brass hardness (or lack thereof) is also a factor.

You hit the nail in the head!

 

[No manches"]

Another thing that never occurred to me" is. What if I have a bad batch of brass?...
Which will suck even more due to the fact that I still have 600 new cases.. I'll check my bags for build dates.

 

[Rocketvapor]

I have a couple AR type 22N.
When running NO GAS on a 28" 5R, 1:7 Bull Barrel (X-Caliber) I get to 5 or 6 loadings and start to get a few loose pockets. I shoot single load F-Class prone @600 yards with 88 ELDs around 2950-3000fps.
I doubt there will be any Nosler or Dogtown brass for the 22N anytime soon.
Factory ammo has also dried up.
I like the Dogtown over the Nosler and have several hundred new cases.
I bought 300 6mm Hagar caases from the earlier batch, then 500 Hagar from Creedmoorsports, and now another 500 Hagar. That should be a lifetime supply
The Hagar is heavier and has a 224V/6.8 case head.

 

[Rocketvapor]

Check your 22N brass/ammo for sharp edges on the rim.
Seems some early lots (or old stock) were a problem.
The edge would flake/break when the bolt extractor slipped over the rim when chambered.
Lots of brass would collect in the bolt.
I had to bevel the rims and the problem went away.





After working rim edge.

 

[No manches"]

I have a couple AR type 22N.
When running NO GAS on a 28" 5R, 1:7 Bull Barrel (X-Caliber) I get to 5 or 6 loadings and start to get a few loose pockets. I shoot single load F-Class prone @600 yards with 88 ELDs around 2950-3000fps.View attachment 1303419
I doubt there will be any Nosler or Dogtown brass for the 22N anytime soon.
Factory ammo has also dried up.
I like the Dogtown over the Nosler and have several hundred new cases.
I bought 300 6mm Hagar caases from the earlier batch, then 500 Hagar from Creedmoorsports, and now another 500 Hagar. That should be a lifetime supply
The Hagar is heavier and has a 224V/6.8 case head.
View attachment 1303420

There you go! Exactly as I see it but in a bolt action...
You say that you load them with 88grn" I load them with 77's and with much lower pressure, as I don't loosen primer pockets..but they do shave lots of brass on the bolt face.
I've checked my lot date and they where made September 2017.. so" not old batch of brass for sure.

Thanks for taking your time with the explanation and pictures....better than I could've explained...
Happy new year!

 

[Rocketvapor]

Isn't Sept 2017 some of the EARLY 22N brass?
I bought several 50 round boxes of 62 gr 22N ammo from Midway ON CLEARANCE.
About as cheap as new 22N BRASS. They probably knew about the sharp rims.
I called Nosler and got a "made that way to run in an AR" from them. Bull
It's the click over when chambered that made the flakes on mine.
I don't get swipes with my No Gas AR.

 

[littlebuddybr]

Ok here is where I’m coming from. I’m a 22 250 expert , been shooting them since 1985. I recently started playing with the 223 ai with 50 grain bullets and got amazing results using high capacity 5.56 brass. My 22 250 bucks enough to move my head so I can’t spot myself on a prairie dog. The 223 ai doesn’t. So I’m looking to shoot a left handed bolt gun right handed with the fastest speed and never take my eye off the scope. Been shooting left handed on right handed bolt guns and it works but my left eye not as good as my right. I have 22 250’s that are awesome but after 250 shots my shoulder is raw. But my 223 ai gun are much less pounding. So I’m looking to build the ultimate pd gun. My ar 10 22 250 does great and my 223ai does great while it’s cooling I guess I’m be gready but I want the ultimate pd gun!

Build a heavier 22-250 and put a break on it?.

 

[Brownie36]

Build a heavier 22-250 and put a break on it?.

Good idea!! Thanks

 

[searcher]

Good idea!! Thanks

Just be aware your barrel will need to cool a lot more if shooting high-volume targets and barrel will last half as long.