22-250 AI vs 22x47 Lapua

[xswanted]

For one... I didn’t win.

But two, most “coyote farmers” really appreciate it when people from other states think it’s all bull.

I’m by no means the best at it, and people still think it’s a lie, and that just makes it so much sweeter.

Check out www.wtbbc.org and view the past results under contest info. Keep in mind that animals are temperature probed and every single member of winning teams are polygraphed. There’s really no denying it.

Using the 80.5 over the 75 is solid advice that you’d be wise to at least thank someone for before dismissing.

I couldn’t give 2 shits less about a coyote tournament in Texas.

The thread was started about comparing two cartridges not what bullet won’t make 20 coyotes flop around at night in Texas.

If you don’t want someone to dismiss your advice then don’t offer it where it’s not asked for.

The reason being that I don’t care what bullet you use is the simple fact I’ve killed a lot of coyotes with the 75 Berger. Real coyotes, not cute Texas coyotes, and never have had one flop, dance, spin or stand up and do a hula dance for me. They’ve all died. So if the 80.5 can make then any more dead I’m all for it. But until then, I’ll continue to use the bullet I like, you can do the same.....sound good?

 

[Clancy]

I couldn’t give 2 shits less about a coyote tournament in Texas.

The thread was started about comparing two cartridges not what bullet won’t make 20 coyotes flop around at night in Texas.

If you don’t want someone to dismiss your advice then don’t offer it where it’s not asked for.

The reason being that I don’t care what bullet you use is the simple fact I’ve killed a lot of coyotes with the 75 Berger. Real coyotes, not cute Texas coyotes, and never have had one flop, dance, spin or stand up and do a hula dance for me. They’ve all died. So if the 80.5 can make then any more dead I’m all for it. But until then, I’ll continue to use the bullet I like, you can do the same.....sound good?

I mean not really.... does it bother you that much? That we can kill
more in a week than you can in a year?

Stop rephrasing the same question over and over. If such slight differences won’t make them any more dead, then build your rifle. I’ll guaran-damn-tee you there’s more difference in those two bullets that there is in the two cartridges you asked about, hence the advice you think you didn’t solicit.

I came along here and tried to help. So far, I’ve been called a liar and gotten attitude. No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[284winner]

For one... I didn’t win.

But two, most “coyote farmers” really appreciate it when people from other states think it’s all bull.

I’m by no means the best at it, and people still think it’s a lie, and that just makes it so much sweeter.

Check out www.wtbbc.org and view the past results under contest info. Keep in mind that animals are temperature probed and every single member of winning teams are polygraphed. There’s really no denying it.

Using the 80.5 over the 75 is solid advice that you’d be wise to at least thank someone for before dismissing.

Sure wish we had that many coyotes here in my home state. We have a ton and most are call shy and been hunted hard all year but not nearly that many. Just not sure I could handle the warm temps. I suppose Texas has some cooler temps nearer the December thru March months tho.

 

[linebaugh]

To try to actully answer your original question.
If both rounds are in the same tube length/twist/throat length and both loaded to the same pressure a lower capacity case will not out perform a larger volume case. Thats just a physics.

As you go down in case capacity with all things above being equal the cartridge efficiency goes up. Some will try to tell you case design causes better burns and this and that to makenone out perform the other. It's pretty much all huey. You have a basic case that is identical one to the other beyond shoulder angle and neck length. If you believe that 5% of a cases attributes concerning boiler room overcome the 95% basic case capacity (the portion up to the shoulder) in creating unobtainable perfomance otherwise ever whitnessed you may want to rethink things.

As far as the 2 cases. Use the one you like! I want to see you go 22x47 only because I am having a mental affair with that case right now. Nothing of any factual importance, just fantasy, but it would be nice to live vicariously through your choosing the 22x47.

P.S. I have shot 4 coyotes and a bobcat this year. Two coyotes were with a 22 hornet and 45gr speer soft points. They did not squirm much so I am convinced this is all you would ever need. That is true but was a joke so everybody lighten up.

 

[xswanted]

To try to actully answer your original question.
If both rounds are in the same tube length/twist/throat length and both loaded to the same pressure a lower capacity case will not out perform a larger volume case. Thats just a physics.

As you go down in case capacity with all things above being equal the cartridge efficiency goes up. Some will try to tell you case design causes better burns and this and that to makenone out perform the other. It's pretty much all huey. You have a basic case that is identical one to the other beyond shoulder angle and neck length. If you believe that 5% of a cases attributes concerning boiler room overcome the 95% basic case capacity (the portion up to the shoulder) in creating unobtainable perfomance otherwise ever whitnessed you may want to rethink things.

As far as the 2 cases. Use the one you like! I want to see you go 22x47 only because I am having a mental affair with that case right now. Nothing of any factual importance, just fantasy, but it would be nice to live vicariously through your choosing the 22x47.

P.S. I have shot 4 coyotes and a bobcat this year. Two coyotes were with a 22 hornet and 45gr speer soft points. They did not squirm much so I am convinced this is all you would ever need. That is true but was a joke so everybody lighten up.

I’m the same way, leaning to the Lapua. I have a 6x47 in the works and I figure a 22 would be fun to have along with it.

22 Hornet works wonders and easy on fur too. My main stay for coyotes is usually a 17 Rem before hides get thick and shots become longer in January.

 

[B23]

I have a 6x47 in the works and I figure a 22 would be fun to have along with it.

Until you accidentally shoot one of those 22x47 in your 6x47 because they look the same, then it probably won't be so fun.

 

[xswanted]

Until you accidentally shoot one of those 22x47 in your 6x47 because they look the same, then it probably won't be so fun.

It’ll bounce a little bit going down there...no big deal! I hear they shoot better like that anyway right?

 

[22DASHER]

It’ll bounce a little bit going down there...no big deal! I hear they shoot better like that anyway right?

Alf can answer that question. I believe it costed him a coyote...

 

[steve123]

37 cycles on my 11 year old 6x47 brass, with warm loads, which would mean in the mid to high 60,000 PSI range, so there's that.

Years before, the 22-250's I had with American brass would last 6-8 firings before primers pockets were giving out, so I'd replace them.

22x47 AI ??!!

 

[drags]

37 cycles on my 11 year old 6x47 brass, with warm loads, which would mean in the mid to high 60,000 PSI range, so there's that.

Years before, the 22-250's I had with American brass would last 6-8 firings before primers pockets were giving out, so I'd replace them.

22x47 AI ??!!

Hi Steve did you ever have the bolt lift (click) on that brass?
Drags

 

[steve123]

Hi Steve did you ever have the bolt lift (click) on that brass?
Drags

My poor brass has not had it easy.

I won't lie, I was experimenting with higher charges at one point in time, and like a dumbass I eventually got those cases mixed up with my good ones, but weeded most of those out over the years, so those over expanded over pressured cases gave a slightly sticky bolt lift. I'm talking gradually adding powder til I got to 3340 fps with 105's and over 3200 fps with 115's. BTW most of those still held a primer decently, that's part of the reason they were hard to distinguish.

The rest were fine with my warmish loads as far as bolt lift goes. When I'd do ladder testing I could go up pretty high before the bolt would start to stick, which were well above my normal load.

If I were to start off with running in a new batch of virgin brass with light loads to fireform to my chamber, then afterwards ran my normal warmish loads, I doubt I would have any bolt stickyness in the high 60's.

On that last barrel, using 105 hybrids, with a long .208 freebore, I was using 43.1 grains of H4831sc, it was slightly compressed. FPS out of a 28" barrel was 3172 fps, just so you can gauge how warm it was. Primers were not flat yet but getting there.

Another gauge for you, I have a 20x47L, 55 grain Bergers were in the high node at 3830 fps with medium pressure signs in a 27" barrel. I didn't push those cases, have 3-4 firings on them, never had a sticky bolt.

 

[B23]

I have a 20x47L, 55 grain Bergers were in the high node at 3830 fps with medium pressure signs in a 27" barrel. I didn't push those cases, have 3-4 firings on them, never had a sticky bolt.

What powder are you using in your 20x47 w/55 Bergers?

I have a 20-250, which nearly the same thing, and with the 55's I'm using RL16 but thinking about trying some N565.

 

[steve123]

What powder are you using in your 20x47 w/55 Bergers?

I have a 20-250, which nearly the same thing, and with the 55's I'm using RL16 but thinking about trying some N565.

H4350

 

[alf]

Alf can answer that question. I believe it costed him a coyote...

6's in a 6.5 barrel don't shoot for shit......

 

[sodbuster]

sorry to bring this back up but ive been out of commission for quite a while.

for those of us who feel quick followup shots are a priority? the 22x47 fits AR15 mags when trimmed to 1.799" whereas none of the 22-250's can, and if you're reloading anyway, ammo is not an issue.

I use IMR4166 for the light bullets (60g and less)

peace.