21th Century, New Generation Arbor Press?

[waltk]

Hello Members

Has anyone tried or used the 21th Century New Generation arbor press?
The arbor press with the long direct linkage lever instead of a standard rack and pinion drive.
Is there any advantage to using it? Does it provide greater leverage?
Any comments would be appreciated.
Walt K

 

[Sniper338]

Theyve been covered a lot on here lately...

 

[waltk]

Are we talking about the same thing? The 21th Century arbor press with the long direct linkage lever ?
I did a search and don't see anything.
Walt K

 

[CatShooter]

Go here....

http://www.21stcenturyshooting.com/New_Gen_Arbor_Press.php

 

[waltk]

Hello Cat Shooter

Yeah, I've done that. I was wondering if anyone had any real world experience with this press.

 

[WindSurgeon]

Other than leverage, are there any real advantages over a Sinclair or less expensive presses in terms of ammo consistency or straightness? I would think the dies have more impact. They make some really great quality tools so you won't go wrong buying it though.

 

[waltk]

The reason I ask is because I'm using a Forster FL die to size my LC .223 brass and when I seat my 77gr. SMK using a Wilson hand seating die it is fairly stiff to seat. Now I know that this may change (and probably will) if and when I start using a Redding S type FL die with interchangeable bushings. But until then and if I do, I like a little more leverage. I also realize that I could just out right buy it but I would like some real world experience.

 

[snakepit]

If the longer arm gives you more leverage then would that more leverage give you less feel when seating the bullet which is one of the reasons I went to a Arbor Press to seat my bullets and that is to feel the seating force.

 

[CatShooter]

If the longer arm gives you more leverage then would that more leverage give you less feel when seating the bullet which is one of the reasons I went to a Arbor Press to seat my bullets.

The long arm simple press gives LESS leverage than the standard rack and pinion arbor press.

 

[waltk]

Really? No offense but how do you know that for sure without real world use?

 

[JRS]

The rack and pinion gives the press a mechanical advantage.

Edit: You'll always exert more leverage with a longer arm on the press.

 

[21shooter]

Hi, Yes, more Leverage. I Designed this Press for Heavy Neck Tension.
Yet: Very Good Feedback - Feel.
Thanks, John

 

[Sniper338]

Hi, Yes, more Leverage. I Designed this Press for Heavy Neck Tension.
Yet: Very Good Feedback - Feel.
Thanks, John

there you go

 

[waltk]

Thank you all, gentlemen. I was just about to phone 21th Century when the power went out!

Thanks again, Walt

 

[waltk]

Just ordered it.

Walt

 

[WindSurgeon]

The reason I ask is because I'm using a Forster FL die to size my LC .223 brass and when I seat my 77gr. SMK using a Wilson hand seating die it is fairly stiff to seat. Now I know that this may change (and probably will) if and when I start using a Redding S type FL die with interchangeable bushings. But until then and if I do, I like a little more leverage. I also realize that I could just out right buy it but I would like some real world experience.

Walt. I neck turn my LC brass for my bolt guns to get less neck tension with the Forster. I find the low spot on the necks and measure on 10 and clean them up to the average. I have not changed the tool in several years and just keep turning necks. Helps with reducing damage to jackets, lowering seating pressure and makes the neck tension more consistent. You probably already know all of this but thought I would mention it as a way to kill several birds with one stone.

 

[snakepit]

The reason I ask is because I'm using a Forster FL die to size my LC .223 brass and when I seat my 77gr. SMK using a Wilson hand seating die it is fairly stiff to seat. Now I know that this may change (and probably will) if and when I start using a Redding S type FL die with interchangeable bushings. But until then and if I do, I like a little more leverage. I also realize that I could just out right buy it but I would like some real world experience.

Just curious about how much neck tension you are seating your bullets?

 

[waltk]

Gentlemen

Thank you for your replies. I do not neck turn because this ammo is for Service Rifle shooting.
Right now I shoot at my local club at reduced size targets on our 200 yard range.
Using the Forster FL die I get a very consistent .221 inside neck dia. ( checked with pin gauges) and a consistent unbelievable .001 or less max. neck run out. Love that Forster die.

I tried seating my bullets with a Redding and a Forster sliding sleeve seating die but found the run out a bit too much. So I tried the Wilson hand seater and found the runout to be less. Slower but I'll stick with it for now. But it's a bit stiff to seat with so I'll try the 21th Century arbor press to answer my original question.

Regards, Walt