215,230gr berger hybrid freebore

[Joe Salt]

barefooter I don't think you will get the answer from any of the Gunsmith's because even the best one's don't know why some things work in one rifle and not in another! And as for Doughnuts, I have seated bullets past the Doughnut and shoot some great groups and scores. So like I said if it works in your rifle keep doing it.

Joe Salt

 

[Jay Christopherson]

More Boiler room? I thought you try and fill that void with powder so if you fill it with the bullet, I don't understand the difference. But I've seen rifles with the bullet seated to where you would think they were shooting like a real small bullets by looking at it. But damn do some of them shoot! I'm not saying its right, but if it works who cares. You can always us a throater to make it longer, but if its already to the limit you can't put it back without starting all over. Its like starting with a load I always tell people start with a jam, that way you only have one way to go. I'll let you know in a few weeks how I do!

Joe Salt

The difference is simple - one allows for more powder, the other does not... :-\

 

[Jay Christopherson]

barefooter I don't think you will get the answer from any of the Gunsmith's because even the best one's don't know why some things work in one rifle and not in another! And as for Doughnuts, I have seated bullets past the Doughnut and shoot some great groups and scores. So like I said if it works in your rifle keep doing it.

Joe Salt

That's quite a trick, considering a actual doughnut usually constricts the neck to the point where a bullet won't pass without serious effort or some work on the brass, in which case, the doughnut generally doesn't exist anymore. My point was not that the "doughnut" is insurmountable, but that a lot of guys spec the bullet bearing surface to stop just above the shoulder junction so that they don't have to deal with it. You asked why the majority think the bullet needs to seat above that point, so I provided a possible answer. Not sure what your discipline for score is, but I can't imagine that just "seating past the doughnut" lends itself to any sort of consistency.

 

[4xforfun]

I remember a conversation once about this and the actual PSI ring on the bullet should be factored in. The thought being that you should not (if you can help it, that is) seat the bullet so deep that the PSI ring of the bullet goes past the shoulder/neck juncture. The thought was that since the PSI ring is slightly bigger in diameter than the rest of the bullet , it affected neck tension.

Anybody out there remember the whole conversation??

Tod

 

[Joe Salt]

Jay I've never had a Doughnut that restricted me pushing the bullet past it, but you can sure feel it when seating. It was right at the very end of the seating. I think I have since eliminated the Doughnut but I know they were there and it didn't change accuracy. I shoot 1000 yard benchrest and have done very well over the years. So I think at the range I would see a big difference if it happened.

Joe Salt

Joe Salt