2012 F-Class National Championships now only a 1000 yard match

[ohearchai]

The NRA High Power Committe has apparently accepted the suggestion to make the National F-Class Championship shot only at 1000 Yards.
COF
Day 1 - 3 x 15 shots at 1000, Individuals
Day 2 - 3 x 15 shots at 1000, Individuals
Day 3 - 2 x 20 shots Team matches at 1000
Day 4 - 2 x 20 shots at 1000, Individuals
This will effective at Raton in September 2012..

 

[21shooter]

Hi, Is this for real? COOOOOL!

John

 

[terryperkins]

[quoteThe NRA High Power Committe has apparently accepted the suggestion][/quote]
A suggestion was enough to make a major change to a national championship format?

 

[ohearchai]

Terry I guess it was, not that I am in agreement with any changes being made to a High Power discipline without at least some sort of poll of classified shooters in that discipline.

 

[falconpilot]

Apparently a few shooters where asked about it, but none the rest of us.

Jim

 

[Dirtball]

I presume that the suggestion was made, and those that were poled were ALL on the US F-open and F-tr Rifle teams.
Because no one else seamed to know about this until today.

Dave

 

[ohearchai]

Seems like a lot of folks on the F/tr teams didn't know either

 

[FroggyOne2]

Well they will....

 

[falconpilot]

Dirt ball

Rest assure that a lot of US F-Class members did NOT know anything about this till it came out in the new rules post by NRA earlier this week..To assume that all or any US F-Class team members would assume to speak for everyone involved in F-Class shooting is incorrect..not jumping you, just saying...

Jim

 

[FroggyOne2]

The power of networking is important.. believe me, I am just as surprised as you are, when I heard about the new scoring system, amongst highpower shooters the word is traveling fast.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Oh and Jim, I wasn't trying to be a smart "A".. you know as well as I do, that when, if they don't know by then, register.. they will know then.. alabit a lil shocked.. for being in the closet so to speak.. but still the same Jim, they will find out the new rule..

 

[memilanuk]

So far as I can tell, *nobody* outside the folks that came up with the ideas, and the HP committee, had any idea about these little bombs until after the fact.

There has been a fair bit of dissent on other forums - some over the format itself, and more over the change out of the blue with nothing put to the members/community other than a straw poll @ FCNC by one person.

I think the time has come to require some level of transparency w/ regards to the operations of the Committee. The 'behind-closed-doors' mentality leads to unhappy situations like this one.

 

[maxpower]

Damn, so it is true. Running it all at 1000yds will lean the caliber of choice closer to the big barrel burning short mags (which I use anyway), becoming more of an eletist equipment race than previously. Running 800,900 and 1000 as in Palma would have been bearable, but all 1000yds is pushing things a bit.
Since it will become one big 1000yd benchrest shoot, do we get to shoot off benches under cover?

 

[Taildrag15X]

Well all I can say is it's time to start shooting under Fulbore Rules, they didn't make any knee jerk changes there!

You can still run a 90 shot Indivdual Course or a 180 shot National Match Course over 3 tor 4 days and see who really is the "best" from 300 to 1,000 yds.

I hate to say it, but Fulbore is looking better and better............

For those that don't have a phone number for the NRA: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/directory.asp

I don't know why they couldn't leave the scoring system alone either, I know that the changes a few years back were meant to keep a pit scorers hand below the "berm", which is does.....so why again?

 

[FroggyOne2]

As to the new scoring, under the new older way, many ranges were still marking a miss in the high center, at ORSA, we stopped marking a miss and just ran up a empty target. As to the scoring, I would say it was because some folks were having a hard time between whether it was a 7 or an 8 or like wise 9 or a 10, this new way would indeed make that difference easier to score.

 

[Taildrag15X]

As to the new scoring, under the new older way, many ranges were still marking a miss in the high center, at ORSA, we stopped marking a miss and just ran up a empty target. As to the scoring, I would say it was because some folks were having a hard time between whether it was a 7 or an 8 or like wise 9 or a 10, this new way would indeed make that difference easier to score.

For some more insight into this "Competitor based" idea, take a read over on http://www.usrifleteams.com/lrforum/index.php?showtopic=14234

For safety reasons the Miss was moved from the 12 o'clock postion to 3 o'clock, any NRA Sanctioned Tournament should of followed the correct "older/new" way, I never had an issue reading where the scoring plug was.

This pit scoring issue also brings me back to why the Competitors should be doing pit duty, they know (or should) and follow the Rules, wheere someone off the street isn't going to think twice about sticking his arm in the air for it to become a target.

 

[memilanuk]

Well all I can say is it's time to start shooting under Fulbore Rules, they didn't make any knee jerk changes there!

Not yet, anyways.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, the same High Power Rifle Committee that made the decision to eliminate the 'Standing to Sitting' bit in the conventional High Power (XTC) rules a few years ago made this decision to change the format of F-Class Nationals... and also makes the rules for NRA Int'l Fullbore.

The problem isn't who is making the decisions so much as the process. Right now you submit a proposal that in order to win a Regional tournament a shooter must be wearing a green sock on their left foot. Nobody outside the NRA and the HP Committee sees that proposal until its been voted on by the Committee and made into a rule. Ding, we have a new rule.

The NRA has the infrastructure and mechanisms in place to send out emails and Facebook notifications to interested parties who subscribe to those things - they sent out the rule changes *after* they'd been voted on. My thoughts are that they should have a 'Request For Comment' (RFC) period, starting 4 weeks before the committee meeting, and closing 2 weeks before the meeting. Make the proposals that are up for discussion/review public, let the shooter community see what is on the table, and provide feedback.

Please note, I am *not* suggesting make it a purely democratic process where everybody gets to vote on everything - but I do think the current setup where things are done essentially by a very few, behind closed doors, where nobody else has any idea what is happening until its done... is unacceptable in today's modern world with the glut of electronic communications available to us.

 

[falconpilot]

Exactly why SHOULDN'T everyone get a vote on it?(assuming your a current NRA member of course) Wasn't that the basic fundemental foundation this very country was based on???

 

[memilanuk]

Not really. Last time I checked we use a representative form of government, and have for some time. Pure democracy sounds great, but generally devolves into mob rule - though some times I wonder if that could be any more of a mess than what we currently have...

 

[falconpilot]

Who exactly are these "representative" that are suppose to be representing me in this vote regarding this rule change????

Even representative have to voted in, and are suppose to represent the people who placed them in office...The whole point is we just got something rammed down our throats, and a lot of people didn't like the taste..

Jim