200 benchrest/F class targets

[jefats]

Is there a "standard" target for 200 yard benchrest/F Class matches and if so, where can you get them?
Thanks

 

[GSPV]

You can get IBS targets from Sinclair. http://www.sinclairintl.com/shooting-accessories/targets/index.htm

If you want a challenging practice target, there is a recent thread with a couple of good links in it. If you can't find it, let me know.

 

[highmaster82]

shortest range for NRA approved F class is 300 yds.
at my local club we run an unapproved f class at200 yds useing the nra MR 31 100 yd high power target at 200 yds giving a 1/2 moa x ring and a one moa 10 ring . 5 shot groups are one thing ,20 shots is something else.

 

[GSPV]

OK, high aster, what do you mean by the 5 shot vs 20 shot comment?

 

[johara1]

That seems like a huge ten ring at 200 yds, 2"?……… GSPV, I know where you are coming from……. jim

 

[GSPV]

Jim,

I'm asking the question. Don't want to assume.

If it is a poke, just want to say that I think any game that people enjoy is a good game. I enjoy some games more than others, but I don't knock any of them.

 

[wapiti25]

5 shot groups are used in benchrest. 15 and 20 shot strings/relay is used in F-class, they are different shooting games. The short range benchrest matches are 5 shots 5 times for the aggregate group size at 100 yds and 200 yds. There is also long range benchrest (600 and 1000 yds) matches, each has it's own rules.
The F-class that I have shot is 3 relays of 15 shots each for the target score at 600 yds, it is referred to as mid-range. This is just some of the differences in types of matches. The 600 yd F-class that I have been shooting uses a 6" 10 ring and a 3" X ring, you shoot three different times 15 shots with 2 sighters each relay, you pull and score the target between shots for the other guy between your relays.

 

[johara1]

No big deal, no poke……. but 2" seemed big to me,but i'm use to long range………so i didn't know either……. jim

 

[Laurie]

We gave up on 200 yard F-Class in my primary club as of this year. Even with the UK practice of two or three competitors shooting alternately, and our short distance range situated on the side of a windy valley nearly 1,000 ft up in the one of the windier parts of our famously windy islands, shooters and equipment got too good for this distance with winning F/TR scores of 99 and 100 and V-counts of 15 to 19.

The 'trouble' with this is what it does to target centres which were being replaced two to four times per match on each frame. The problems and delays this caused and with shot markers regularly blasted through the frame made for rather too frustrating events at both ends of the range.

The way things are going at 300 might soon see a repetition as winning scores are getting to the 99/100 mark with V-counts in the low to mid teens, but at least the damage is spread over a larger pair of rings of 1.5 and three inches diameter.

 

[fdshuster]

From the NRA High Power Rule book, regarding F/Class match's, "The rifle must be fired from the prone position" etc. etc.

 

[GSPV]

No big deal, no poke……. but 2" seemed big to me,but i'm use to long range………so i didn't know either……. jim

Jim. I was referring to HighMaster's comment. I totally understood where you were coming from.

 

[GSPV]

5 shot groups are used in benchrest. 15 and 20 shot strings/relay is used in F-class, they are different shooting ...

I hear you. I've been around the block a few times.

Cutting to the chase, short range group benchrest isn't about a group. It's all about the aggregate. That is 25 shots, 50 or 100 depending on which aggregate we are talking about. Not 5 shots.

They are different games. They have their own rules. In every one of those games, the cream is going to rise to the top. Competition is going to be fierce. You have to work your tail off to just be competitive., much less win. That's just the way it is.

Anyone that is knocking someone else's game as being easy just hasn't played the other game at a high enough level. That's true whether we are talking shooting, field trailing or checkers.

 

[savageshooter86]

even at 300 yards trying to put 20 shots into a 2.85" 10 ring and 1.42" x ring is no easy task.

Then move to 1000 yards and try to put 20 shots into a 5" x ring sure is addicting

 

[GSPV]

I've shot both. I like 100-300 score benchrest best, varmint matches second. F Class bringing up the rear on enjoyment scale.

Now, I'm not knocking FClass or anything else. Believe me, I'm thrilled when anyone finds something that they really enjoy. That, after all, is why we're here, right?

People have their preferences. That's why their are different kinds of ice creams. What I can't understand is anyone knocking someone else's preference. It's just a preference.

I've shot trap, skeet, sporting clays, stick birds, live pigeons, position rimfire, rimfire benchrest, several formats of CF benchrest, varmint matches of several kinds, F Class to 1,000 yards, played around with airgun. I've field trialed bird dogs in AKC and AF. I've hunt tested in AKC and NAVHDA. I've played chess and checkers competitively; over the board at different time limits and postal. I used to run 5K and 10k competitively. I let martial arts take over my life to the point that my wife almost divorced me.

I say all that to say that in all that time, I've never run into anything inherently best for everyone. Just things that people like better than others.

What I can't understand is knocking

 

[Erik Cortina]

BR is definetly easier than F-Class because it's easier to shoot 5 shots than 20 for any individual.

It's when you add more shooters that also want to win to the mix that the difference in the game becomes irrelevant. At that point, it doesn't matter how hard or easy the game is, what matters is how good you are compared to the rest of the competition.

 

[GSPV]

Nothing is hard till you start competing.

For example, we have guys plop down with their retail AR-15s and burn 20, 30 or whatever down range. Looks like a #00 buck pattern. Looks pretty easy to me.

 

[johara1]

What i was referring to is if the 10 ring at 600yds is 6" and 10 ring at 200 yds should be less than 2" because the conditions are way less. the minute of angle thing seems to carry through the whole yardage. …… jim

 

[GSPV]

I understand.

In another thread a guy talked about a 0.75 MOA rifle and shooting feral hogs at 2000 yards. My take is that it is a 0.75 MOA rifle at 100 yards and he's extrapolating to 2000 yards.

2000 yard hunting! OMG.

 

[johara1]

I would venture to say, a rifle that will only shoot in 3/4 min. at 100 will not be 30" at 2000 yds. but without any conditions it may shoot in 15" in theory, But if think that can happen you better look under your pillow every morning.There is some wild stuff makes on here….. jim

 

[Immike]

You lose alot of your control when you go beyond 1000yds. A sub 1/4 min gun at 600 is not going to stay that way indefinitely. At best with tons of experience and meticulous reloading can you stay inside of one minute of angle. It is twice as difficult for each couple hundred yards you go out. You will shoot out a few barrels learning how gain ground once your in the teens.