200-20x how fast

[Berger.Fan222]

I too have shot clean at 600 yards a couple of times with my 260 but never with 308. So, I have been pondering this conundrum.

We all have a tendency to focus on wind resistance when choosing our bullets simply because that's where the numbers point us to. But, as my Dad used to say, "Not all things that count can be counted". Your statement makes a case for less recoil resulting in greater precision.

I suspect that the thing we're failing to consider during our selection of bullets is torque. Torque (the hidden aspect of recoil) may play a bigger role than we suspect. That would explain why Jade is having better results with an 11 twist than with a 10 twist, in spite of the numbers indicating that a 10 twist should be preferred. Just saying...

Joe

I also suspect torque is playing a bigger role in the real accuracy of the heavy .308 bullets than most recoil. It magnifies every detail of the hold and set-up that don't cause dropped points with an 18 lb .223 or a 22 lb .260/6mm/etc.

I also think a 1 in 11" twist will alleviate the issue somewhat. We've measured the 208 ELD to have the full BC that Hornady advertises at 1000 ft elevation from a 1 in 11" twist. The 230 Berger OTM loses a lot of BC. We haven't measured the 200.20X yet, but if it is working for Jade ...

However, having seen Jade shoot, his technique is impeccable. A recoil management issue that is showing up for a lot of shooters may be prevented by Jade's technique.

 

[Jdne5b]

I've never shot a clean at 600 with my 308 but have been averaging about 40% clean relays with my 223 over the last year. The load in the 308 is just as good or better than the 223 load. I keep getting 1-3 crazy ass shots out of 20 that I can only attest to recoil. Thinking about putting a 6mm barrel on my 308.

The only clean with my .308 has been with 155.5s. I've seen a few 199s with 185s.. I think my best with 195s or 200s is 198. Like you say.. always 1-3 (or 5 or 6) WTF shots. Even in little wind. I'm hoping it was just a bad barrel. Testing new barrel now.

 

[Down South]

I too have shot clean at 600 yards a couple of times with my 260 but never with 308. So, I have been pondering this conundrum.

We all have a tendency to focus on wind resistance when choosing our bullets simply because that's where the numbers point us to. But, as my Dad used to say, "Not all things that count can be counted". Your statement makes a case for less recoil resulting in greater precision.

I suspect that the thing we're failing to consider during our selection of bullets is torque. Torque (the hidden aspect of recoil) may play a bigger role than we suspect. That would explain why Jade is having better results with an 11 twist than with a 10 twist, in spite of the numbers indicating that a 10 twist should be preferred. Just saying...

Joe

Joe,

My last couple barrels have been 11 twist and I've had great results shooting them with 185s (Hybrids & Juggernauts), 200s (Hybrids & X bullets), & 210 JLK VLDs at all distances but I've also had 10 twist barrels that shot just as well. I don't know how much difference in torque is between the two twist but I really couldn't see any difference personally. There's really no need to shoot 11 twist over a 10 twist in my opinion but I had several 11 twist barrel blanks sitting in the gun safe so I used them. According to the twist rate calculators I'm losing some of the BC with 11 twist but accuracy wise I haven't seen a drop off at all compared to the 10 twist. With me being a little bigger in the chest/shoulder area and having some weight behind me I think it helps some with recoil and I also work a lot on shooting form.

 

[Nature Boy]

2730 fps with the 200.20X is a very hot load. Be careful what you're doing with H4895...typical loads tend to run about grain (or even more) less than with Varget.

That's exactly what I found with 185 Juggs, for what it's worth