2 really STUPID questions

[Texas10]

I actually had a kernel of powder lodge between the bullet and neck wall just last week. Surprised the hell out of me, but there is sat right at the case mouth, easy to see and plain as day. Oooops!
Interestingly it was on a 6br case that I use a bushing die to FL size and use a lanolin based lube on the case, so I must have got some on the top of the neck.

Q: Should the neck portion be lubed if using a bushing die?

As for lubing the inside of cases being FL sized with an expander, I do if the case is clean and free of all powder residue. Not doing so risks dragging the shoulder forward and worse, sticking the expander in the neck. I wet tumble after salt bath annealing, so I do size clean cases, however I do not shoot in competition. Those who do probably get all the advice they need at the contest, which is certain to be more applicable to that type of shooting.

 

[Forum Boss]

As noted, after ultrasonic cleaning, or after tumbling in media, some lube inside neck may be appropriate.

And some long-range competitors (but very few PPC or 30BR guys), WILL put some dry lube inside a neck, or Hornady One-Shot (which is more of a film than a liquid). This is typically applied with the lube on a brush applicator.

My main point here is that you do NOT want to get a bunch of oily wet lube inside your case, and that really has no benefit whatsoever. For cases that have been shot a couple times, that have not been on the ground, literally a couple passes with a nylon brush may be all you need.

After shooting, before the external carbon sets, I wipe carbon off the OUTside of the necks with a patch pre-wetted with Ballistol aerosol. Then, before FL sizing, the case bodies and outside of necks get a very light layer of lube. That's it.

Some other shooters like imperial Die Wax (applied sparingly), while still others like One-Shot or something similar.

As with anything let the target (and then the chrono) decide. Consistency is key -- with good loading practices ES under 14 (for five shots) is very doable. Some of the best Dasher/6 BRA shooters are seeing single digit ES. I can tell you they are not batch-spraying 100 cases in a zip lock bag, with gooey lube outside and in....

 

[savagedasher]

Definitely not a stupid question
The reason fo powder sticking in the neck is because you lubed the neck
I always vibrate my in corn cob or walnut shells
Never vacuum powder
It can be clean up with a damp rag
Happy new year

 

[Fotheringill]

I've done it with lube but also during stupid ass activities, like resizing the neck of a case that had powder in it and hearing the crunch because I forgot to take out the decapping rod.
I don't vacuum it up but use the old fashioned method, sweep broom and dust pan if on the floor.

 

[17-222]

Your title made me think of this comedians bit!

 

[Ccrider]

Another vote for a neck brush and imperial dry lube. Get the applicator beads and lube. They work like a charm.

 

[JFrank]

so you don't lube inside the case neck?, I thought that was a have to thing?

No need for lube just use a nylon brush to smooth out the existing carbon inside the neck.

 

[boltgunluvr]

and........there is no such thing as a dumb question. always better to err on the side of caution.

 

[JFrank]

^^^ what he said

 

[hillbillydruggist]

i use imperial dry neck lube and powder doesn't stick. before i learned about dry neck lube i used sizing wax in the necks and powder would stick in the necks.

i vacuum my reloading room regularly. been doing it for a few decades with no problems. now when you vacuum up a primer and it goes off that will make you jump. it happens so often i chuckle when it happens.

I am sorry but I didn't know if you were serious about the primers going off or kidding?

 

[okie]

what the heck is a "vacuum cleaner" ????

 

[alinwa]

I went to gunsmithing school..... My teacher was telling the Brownell's "Jet Powered Vacuum Cleaner" story and one of the guys in my class piped up "YUP!!! It happened to me too!" Vacuuming pistol powder he also sent one careening about farting flames.....

We got a guy here in town with half a face... he checked the fuel level in the tractor by shining his lighter down there.....luckily it was almost full.

(Unlike the guy back home was straddling a propane tank, welding a compressor motor on. My boss at the time was a cop, his wife head of EMT. When they got the call the wife was wandering around the yard dazed "Where's Frank? Where's my Frank?" and one of the EMT's said "he's over here.... and over here..... and over HERE"......)


very quietly

 

[Richard Coody]

I went to gunsmithing school..... My teacher was telling the Brownell's "Jet Powered Vacuum Cleaner" story and one of the guys in my class piped up "YUP!!! It happened to me too!" Vacuuming pistol powder he also sent one careening about farting flames.....

We got a guy here in town with half a face... he checked the fuel level in the tractor by shining his lighter down there.....luckily it was almost full.

(Unlike the guy back home was straddling a propane tank, welding a compressor motor on. My boss at the time was a cop, his wife head of EMT. When they got the call the wife was wandering around the yard dazed "Where's Frank? Where's my Frank?" and one of the EMT's said "he's over here.... and over here..... and over HERE"......)


very quietly

must take quite a bit of powder to set a vacuum on fire. that would make a nice 4th of july show.

and i have seen a fellow weld a hole in a gas tank full of gas. After he was done he said he did in pretty often. as long as the tank was full no problem.

 

[Someoldguy]

I went to gunsmithing school..... My teacher was telling the Brownell's "Jet Powered Vacuum Cleaner" story and one of the guys in my class piped up "YUP!!! It happened to me too!" Vacuuming pistol powder he also sent one careening about farting flames.....

We got a guy here in town with half a face... he checked the fuel level in the tractor by shining his lighter down there.....luckily it was almost full.

(Unlike the guy back home was straddling a propane tank, welding a compressor motor on. My boss at the time was a cop, his wife head of EMT. When they got the call the wife was wandering around the yard dazed "Where's Frank? Where's my Frank?" and one of the EMT's said "he's over here.... and over here..... and over HERE"......)


very quietly

I would never try to prove or disprove it for obvious reasons, but I'm surprised a propane bottle would explode under such circumstances. In my youth, I did witness a 1,000 gallon propane tank engulfed in flames vent. Created quite the flame geyser. It was part of a tire shop owned by my stepfather. Total loss. Saw lots of . . . . odd sights that afternoon. The venting propane tank sight I've never forgotten.

 

[Richard Coody]

I would never try to prove or disprove it for obvious reasons, but I'm surprised a propane bottle would explode under such circumstances. In my youth, I did witness a 1,000 gallon propane tank engulfed in flames vent. Created quite the flame geyser. It was part of a tire shop owned by my stepfather. Total loss. Saw lots of . . . . odd sights that afternoon. The venting propane tank sight I've never forgotten.

yep

seen quite a few go off in house fires. puts out a huge blowtorch but i never saw one explode.

 

[Someoldguy]

yep

seen quite a few go off in house fires. puts out a huge blowtorch but i never saw one explode.

Maybe the 20lb bottles don't have a high pressure vent? I donno.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

must take quite a bit of powder to set a vacuum on fire. that would make a nice 4th of july show.

and i have seen a fellow weld a hole in a gas tank full of gas. After he was done he said he did in pretty often. as long as the tank was full no problem.

Gasoline itself is not the problem its the vapors. Weld on the top of the tank and see what happens

 

[alinwa]

Ok....on the propane tank. it was one of the tall, 4 or 5ft tanks and the STORY was that he drained it and let it set in the yard for a month, ran some water into it and shook it around and poured it out then screwed a pipe fitting into the popoff valve and proceeded to weld down a compressor mount. The story was told and retold in our area because the man was disliked by his neighbors, had a reputation for shooting dogs etc...... And the humor was found in the "he's over here.....and over here" part. He DID die in an explosion of some sort, and people were happy about it.

That said, I've since tried to blow up propane tanks with no success. And propane tanks aren't very stout....so the story deserves to be questioned

 

[JFrank]

Gents
I believe this thread is developing the Burger King syndrome!

HOME OF THE WOPPER

 

[oldduc]

yep

seen quite a few go off in house fires. puts out a huge blowtorch but i never saw one explode.

Look up BLEVE..... It only takes one of those to make a lasting impression.....