For the life of me I cant remember who on here said the 17fb and 30gr/8208 combo was made for each other, but they couldnt of been more right! 18.8gr put me at 3690fps and in the .2's. I had to try this in the desert. Went out for a few and lasered a big jack rabbit at 588 yds and went for it. It just locked up solid, dead on its feet! Im sold, cant wait to call some dogs!