.17 hornet, or .17 remington

[yotehater]

Bullets.com has the Norma brass in stock.

and on sale too. thanks JRS

 

[bobcat93]

I'm not sure what the misled is. I snatched several hundred of the new beautifully boxed norma 17 Rem at grafs a few months back but you have to keep an eye out for it when available. They sure make pretty brass. Gunbroker has it occasionally if you can find it without offering a first born.

just checked and it is still in stock at grafs
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/27470

..thank you for the tip..oh and the damn auto correct on my cell is haywire..it should have said nosler not misled..sorry about that..I could see how that could be confusing..lol

 

[bobcat93]

Just ordered the cz 527 American varmint 17 rem from buds..now to pic the glass..maybe another Burris..I think the glass is every bit clear as Leopold's with a lot less cost..unless some one has about a 20x power scope they want to sell me..let me know.

 

[ohlongarmisle]

Guys, I'm with most of you. I have two .17FBs and two .20 Practicals but the OP's looking at a factory gun, .17 Remington or Hornet only. Some of the other calibers aren't available in the 527. My choice would be the .17 Remington pushing 30 grain bullets and not the .17 Hornet.

Fine if you reload , if not prepare to pay close to $2 a round for ammo. Not much to be gained by a 17 rem,compared to hornet, a skilled shooter can compensate for the slight velocity, and ft pound advantage.

 

[Oso]

Good Morning - You are responding to a thread from 7 years ago. I am guilty of doing this before...

Maybe you will reinvigorate the topic and also with the outside odds of inspiring CZ to re-introduce the discontinued CZ 527!!! What was CZ thinking?!

 

[bluesako]

i,ve used my 17rem which i bought in 91 92 it shoots behond its weight its a pleasure to shoot 25gr bergers 24gr viht 135 its took some big foxes

 

[Kittitas George]

I have a 17 Hornady Hornet, not shot very much, components weren't available. The rifle is a Ruger #1 with a heavy barrel. It shoots pretty good (minute of gopher). I had a Cooper in 204R it had too much jump to see the hit, so I got the 17HH. All of the calibers mentioned work well, it's like discussing Fords & Chevys. Just go shoot and enjoy!!

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I have 17 rems, if wanting to start down the 17 cal road today I would go 17/223. You avoid all the brass supply issues, and can still reach effective velocities. High velocity is what gives the struck by lightning results on critters.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Love the 17 Hornet. With a good silencer, it gets real quiet, and still kills at 300+ys. CFE Black is my favourite powder for 20g bullets and achieves factory ballistics easily.

 

[SSL]

Though an old thread, it's still true that you can load a .17 Remington to match a .17 Hornet, but you can't load a .17 Hornet to match a .17 Remington. Seems like a logical choice there.

 

[swd]

Fine if you reload , if not prepare to pay close to $2 a round for ammo. Not much to be gained by a 17 rem,compared to hornet, a skilled shooter can compensate for the slight velocity, and ft pound advantage.

Not much to be gained by the 17 Rem over the 17 Hornet that a skilled shooter can’t compensate for?? The 17 Hornet is a fun little case within its limitations but the 17 Rem will walk all over the 17 Hornet all day long. Yes, I own and have owned a few of both. 3 17 Hornets and 2 17 Rem.

 

[ohlongarmisle]

Though an old thread, it's still true that you can load a .17 Remington to match a .17 Hornet, but you can't load a .17 Hornet to match a .17 Remington. Seems like a logical choice there.

Agree , but the difference just isn't worth the hassle to some especially those who don't reload. I shoot effectively to 300 yards all day and kill whatever I draw down on, ammo is cheap and available, a 17 caliber shouldn't be considered beyond 300 yards which is a poke ,period. To gain 80 ft pounds more my going with the 17 rem,is just not worth it,the hornet only drops 7 inches at 300,the rem 3.5,both use a 20 grain ,both have the same bc.It's a no brainer.

 

[swd]

Agree , but the difference just isn't worth the hassle to some especially those who don't reload. I shoot effectively to 300 yards all day and kill whatever I draw down on, ammo is cheap and available, a 17 caliber shouldn't be considered beyond 300 yards which is a poke ,period. To gain 80 ft pounds more my going with the 17 rem,is just not worth it,the hornet only drops 7 inches at 300,the rem 3.5,both use a 20 grain ,both have the same bc.It's a no brainer.

The difference is there’s no reason to use a 20gr in the 17 Rem when it will push a 25+gr at 4000-4200 with ballistics that make it a solid 400-450 yard cartridge. For high volume squirrels etc inside of 300 yards the Hornet case works fine but after that the bigger Rem case is a whole different animal. It just depends on what you’re doing. The larger 17’s are definitely not limited to 300 yards.

 

[ohlongarmisle]

The difference is there’s no reason to use a 20gr in the 17 Rem when it will push a 25+gr at 4000-4200 with ballistics that make it a solid 400-450 yard cartridge. For high volume squirrels etc inside of 300 yards the Hornet case works fine but after that the bigger Rem case is a whole different animal. It just depends on what you’re doing. The larger 17’s are definitely not limited to 300 yards.

If I reloaded , but those who reload generally, not always are paper punchers. Now if ammo ever became more reasonable a 17 pushing a 25 grain would be considered,Hornady discontinued their 25 grain hornet for what reason no one knows,it was a solid performer.

 

[JSH]

Let’s all face it, the 17’s are a niche market for the most part. There is still a lot of, for the lack of a better term, BS out there on the 17’s. A lot, if not all of the early articles on 17’s from the gun writers talked poorly of the 17’s, because they had no knowledge at the time. Components are a lot better today than of past years, along with barrel quality. A lot of old out dated info still haunts from the past.

I played with all of the factory offerings in 17’s. The HMR is gone as is the 17HH. I stayed with the 17WSM only because I had amassed a large amount of ammo when they were trying to give it away, whole different story today.
I picked up a 17FB as I waited on my heavy 17 Remington. The 17FB is what gave the boot to my 17HH. It can be loaded down to HH levels fairly easy, and it can do a lot more with the 20 grain bullet with little more powder.
As mentioned above I see no reason to use the 20 grain in the larger case. I run only 25’s in my 17 Remington. Good conditions, it is point and splat as far as most could want.

Factory ammo, I just saw a box of 17FB factory new ammo, $52, ridiculous.
I have not seen any 17HH on local shelves for several years.

I would say the HMR is about the only reason a lot of 17 stuff has not been dropped.

We all have fun and appreciate what the little fellows can do. To the nay sayers, that is fine, leaves more for the rest of us ;-).

 

[Hunter23]

17 rem has my vote

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I run 29-30 gr bullets at 3950, with a cushion to pressure signs. Coyote inside 400 yards are dumped, hard.

 

[Kittitas George]

Let’s all face it, the 17’s are a niche market for the most part. There is still a lot of, for the lack of a better term, BS out there on the 17’s. A lot, if not all of the early articles on 17’s from the gun writers talked poorly of the 17’s, because they had no knowledge at the time. Components are a lot better today than of past years, along with barrel quality. A lot of old out dated info still haunts from the past.

I played with all of the factory offerings in 17’s. The HMR is gone as is the 17HH. I stayed with the 17WSM only because I had amassed a large amount of ammo when they were trying to give it away, whole different story today.
I picked up a 17FB as I waited on my heavy 17 Remington. The 17FB is what gave the boot to my 17HH. It can be loaded down to HH levels fairly easy, and it can do a lot more with the 20 grain bullet with little more powder.
As mentioned above I see no reason to use the 20 grain in the larger case. I run only 25’s in my 17 Remington. Good conditions, it is point and splat as far as most could want.

Factory ammo, I just saw a box of 17FB factory new ammo, $52, ridiculous.
I have not seen any 17HH on local shelves for several years.

I would say the HMR is about the only reason a lot of 17 stuff has not been dropped.

We all have fun and appreciate what the little fellows can do. To the nay sayers, that is fine, leaves more for the rest of us ;-).

I shoot my 17HMR rifles much more than my 17HH, partly because of limited component availability and partly because of distance and cost. I really enjoy the 17 HH and the 17HMR due to the no jump or recoil and I don't need a spotter. If I need something to 'reach out there' I have a 222 Rem or 25-06 handy.

 

[JSH]

I shoot my 17HMR rifles much more than my 17HH, partly because of limited component availability and partly because of distance and cost. I really enjoy the 17 HH and the 17HMR due to the no jump or recoil and I don't need a spotter. If I need something to 'reach out there' I have a 222 Rem or 25-06 handy.

I need no spotter for my colony varmint rigs, they weigh enough that they don’t move enough in recoil that I can’t see any acrobatics. My 17FB weighs around 15-16 lbs. I put the 17 Remington on a diet and it is now about 22-23 lbs.

The HMR and 17HH are both good at what they do. For my purposes both left me wanting a lot, and for reloading the 17HH, I will say we had a love/hate relationship. Not the cartridges fault, but those that supply the brass should have their arse kicked. If I were to ever venture there again it would be a 17AI and a large number of the same lot of brass.

I built a 22BR for more distance with a better bullet selection. That in turn led me to build a 20BR/ 55 grain Berger’s with the sole purpose of 500 and beyond. I have to say it was a pure pleasure to work with, as was the 22BR. Oh, the 20 BR hits the scale at around 24 pounds, may need a bit more weight at some point. 400+ usually requires a spotter for impacts, but I can still see lot of the show.

 

[B23]

Let’s all face it, the 17’s are a niche market for the most part. There is still a lot of, for the lack of a better term, BS out there on the 17’s.

Spot on and certainly heavy on the "BS" part but it's not exclusive to the 17's.

Unfortunately, there is a lot of misinformation, partial truths, or just flat out BS posted on these forums and people would be best served to do their own research because other than they are both 17 caliber there is really no comparison between the 17 Hornet and 17 Rem. To say there is only a, slight, difference in velocity and energy ft.lb between those two just shows the ignorance of the person claiming it because the velocity and energy difference as well as the trajectory between the 17 Hornet and 17 Rem. shooting the exact same bullet is significant.