yeah, that is really great get kids to associate with the image of feudal assassin's real positive influence. what happen to plain bullseye shooting!
omygawd, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have destroyed America's soul whilst I was napping .. and I always thunk it was going to be the Zombie Apocalypse Invasion that would do us in , go figger
This might be too deep in thinking for you, but next time ask those kids what it is they are thinking when shooting those targets.
yeah pretty typical for the usual off the shelf Marlin or Savage any 17 hmr ammo at 100 yards, not match winners, but sub moa .. give it a whirl at 50 yards like the vastly superior two-two-only match shooters do, expect 3/8" groups.. my Savage 93R17 BTVSS and Savage B17 FVSR do same/same .. (my other 5 hmrs shoot tighter) ... try some A17 ammo, may or may not shoot a tad better .. shoot well, be well, stay safe
I hate to tell you but 3/8 @50 yds won't cut it in any sanctioned matches and you think it can hang with the two two lmao ? Come on man it will never reach the potential of the two two in regards to accuracy. Maybe just maybe if they started making match ammo and get match grade barrels it might compete. I bet in the wind that little round will move all over the place, hell it moves a lot with a 22 round couldn't imagine. 17 in 10mph wind. I'm good on shooting pellets out of a rimfire
"any two two match ive been in they will let you shoot that hmr" .. kindly come down to south Georgia and tell our range officers that, LOL .. and don't forget to petition ARA and IR5050 to do the same, though we will never get them down here at out local range anyway, 20 lanes of e-targets only, 50yd/100yd range, they refuse to allow paper targets for the few infrequent matches we have (but we keep workin' on em, never say die) .. we have had some IR5050 shooters show up at our last two matches, with custom builds, Vudoo and similar, Sinclair rests etc.. Unlimted class IR5050 bench guns .. I shoot sporter class Annie 22s off bipod and rear bag against 'em, because our range does not distinguish between such category nuances, and for myself "playing is winning", rimfire target shooting, recreational, fun and educational ... I will shoot 22LR and/or 17 hmr versus anybody any time, any caliber, rimfire or centerfire, 50 yds or 100 yds .. if it ever stops being fun I would just stay home and watch Netflix --- PS - there is no "two-two mafia," but there are many decades of vested interest built into 22LR rimfire ONLY, and most of the players and all of the sponsors want to keep it that way, the match grade ammo companies like Eley especially so .. there is a LOT of money in this sport, a lot of heavily vested financial interests, and it is in their interests to defend the staus quo.. as typical of a wide array of other unrelated business interests in all established markets ; competition is always feared whether or not it is believed to be worthy competition
strive a little harder to pay attention and look at picture posted .. the range is 50 yd/100 yd 20 lanes of pricey Kongsberg KTS e-targets .. std NRA A23 targets at 50 yards and std NRA A25 targets at 100 yards with bench monitor displays of shot plots .. the kids, mostly age 10 or younger, most have never fired a rifle before, and they are shooting at A23 targets at 50 yards, not cutesy lego teenage mutant ninja turtles and cartoon characters .. if you don't know what these standard A23 and A25 targets are, write NRA a letter and ask them .. down here in south georgia they are known as bullseyes .. but if you are are truly desperate to boycott LEGO movies and Roadrunner cartoons, , by all means, go boycott, save America, ban cartoons and burn LEGOs .. by the way, they think whatever they think, but what they shout out is, "look daddy, I got a TEN" .. or "look mommy, I got an X"
Wow man you must be really really old or really off your rocker. I'm leaning towards the second choice. Down in Georgia there is one the best indoor ranges in the country chickenfoot go look it up. Go talk to William Casey about your hummer and see what he says about you shooting it ina real sanctioned ara match. If it's doing 3/8 @50 you might as well stay home. 3/8 will get you dead last ina sanctioned match
I hate to tell you but strive to pay closer attention.. I never said 3/8" c-c was a match winner, I never said that was the limit, I said pretty typical generic random hmr ammo, for any off the shelf relatively inexpensive generic hmr rifle .. and I know what ARA and IR5050 bulls are and how scored .. but I don't expect to hear much wisdom from anyone who repeat internet nonsense like "I bet in the wind that little round will move all over the place" ... wind drift has nothing whatsoever to do with bullet weight .. it's about aerodynamic drag profile and time in transit to target .. smaller proife and faster is better .. bullet weight matters not, although inertia can matter (better resistance to wind gusts) and inertia is directly proportional to momentum, (mass x velocity) .. likewise bullet weight has absolutely nothing to do with bullet drop, gravity is a constant .. did they not teach you that in high school ?? .. save your money, don't bet, just look it up, many trustworthy sources, including ammunition manufacturers; it is not an opinion, it is a demonstated and proven reality .. google can help you find whatever sources your special expertise considers worthy .. (or you could ask someone with a degree in Aerospace Engineering, but you just did) .. but do feel free to offer your bet on which centerfire has less wind drift, 22-250 or 45-70
Lmao wow I sure got a lesson from someone that has not shot any sanctioned matches in what 30 years? I have 10+ years of shooting sanctioned matches and never ever ever ever heard of anyone even mention a 17hmr for br matches. Here's a thought old timer go make your own 17hmr br league I'm sure it will catch on. Make your own custom action get a company to make match grade ammo have a target made and then hunt for killer barrels. It will go the exact same way as .22br a equipment race. This is the nature of any top level competition period. Go shoot a match with it and report back.
Being a bit picky, the time of flight does not determine wind drift. What is called lag time does, the difference between the time of flight if it was in vacuum and the actual time of flight.
So if I understand you correctly you're claiming that pretty typical generic random 17 hmr ammo in "any off the shelf relatively inexpensive generic hmr rifle" will shoot 3/8's groups?
