1000 yard IBS agg Match

[savagedasher]

Shouldn't need a shoot-off, the shooter with the smallest group agg should be match winner for group and the shooter with the highest score agg should be the match winner for score. Maybe I'm wrong.

Would that not make relay draw Mostly determine the winner . I'm not disagreeing just trying to keep it fair . The shoot off seems like it would be better . Larry

 

[dmoran]

It's the same number of relays, it's just that you will shoot more targets per relay. Each relay goes to the line, shoots 2 targets for light gun then sets up for heavy gun and shoots 2 targets, then the next relay sets up. Then that's the match. Easy!

Jason -
My own input to your suggestion (shoot 2 or more targets in each class at 1 sitting/relay) would really give "mother nature" the deciding influence, as I see it.

Exception: for a range with out pits, and that have less shooters then benches, that all can shoot at the same time head to head in the same relay.... then definitely yes, it would work great and be a great option!.!.!
But a problem there is if more relay's ever become needed, due to participant increases....

Maybe just me here, but I will never travel to 1000-yd regular matches if they are held from multiple relay aggregate with out Shoot-Off's. And even if they do use a Shoot Off format from agged relay's, highly unlikely I would attend. And would rather continue to shoot more matches of "one target qualifiers to the Shoot-Off" (like most currently already do) per day then less matches of aggregate.

My 2-Cents
Donovan

 

[Jason Boersma]

I'll shoot whatever the majority would decide to shoot. I do agree with you if there's multiple relays the conditions will make a difference. Since the thread is about an agg match at 1000, that's why I made the suggestion. I think it's more fair for the shooters that normally don't make it into the shoot-offs because they will be able to shoot just as many targets as everyone else and I believe that if your rifle is shooting perfect it won't matter either way. Another point if you're shooting in a shoot-off for score and you shoot a really tiny group it means nothing but in an agg based match it still counts as a small group.
I just want to shoot in matches whatever the future brings.

 

[johara1]

Not sure how you get to 32 relays. 4 relays per class X 2 targets = 8 relays per class. That's 16 relays for both classes. Then add the shoot offs in. Shoot offs could be a single target or a two target agg. At most that comes up to 20 relays when shooting both score and group in the same relay. I guess some look at a glass and see it's half empty and some see it as half full.
I would happily pay 50% more to shoot twice as much. Insignificant all things considered.

4 relays in LG. X 2 is 8 x 2 LG matches is 16 and the same for heavy it is 32 relays and there are no shoot offs in agg. format ……… can't shoot targets at a time because heavy is 10 shots. …… jim

 

[DaveTooley]

4 relays in LG. X 2 is 8 x 2 LG matches is 16 and the same for heavy it is 32 relays and there are no shoot offs in agg. format ……… can't shoot targets at a time because heavy is 10 shots. …… jim

Jim
One match at a time. You can't shoot two matches in one day unless just you and your buddy show up. I'm talking about a single shootoff per class. 4 relays = 8 shooters into the shootoff. As long as there are 8 benches you can shoot both score and group for a single class at the same time. It's been done like that for years.

 

[dmoran]

It's funny, and I do realize I'm the minority, but I would rather shoot/load less rather than more. Quality over quantity if you will.

+1..... me too

 

[johara1]

Jim
One match at a time. You can't shoot two matches in one day unless just you and your buddy show up. I'm talking about a single shootoff per class. 4 relays = 8 shooters into the shootoff. As long as there are 8 benches you can shoot both score and group for a single class at the same time. It's been done like that for years.

Dave, We have been shooting 2 light and 2 heavy in a day since i started. There are no shoot offs in an agg. match.

 

[DaveTooley]

Dave, We have been shooting 2 light and 2 heavy in a day since i started. There are no shoot offs in an agg. match.

I knew that but the RAM doesn't work like it used to. I stand corrected on the double match days. Seems like a lot of work to me.
I'm talking about a format change to a relay agg winner moving on to the class shoot off scenario. The topic is how to increase attendance, more time shooting with less lifting and toting would be a start. Shoot one match with twice the number of shots and possibly the same equipment set up time as a one and done match. What's not to like there.

The bottom line is attendance tells you what's right or wrong. Is this the classic definition of insanity?

 

[Ga. Dawg]

I know I am personally 'burnt' out on all the loading and travel. We go at it just about ever weekend, driving 6 plus hours, usually much more to beat each other's brains out. I had much rather throttle it back and do more quality shooting, like Tom and Donavon said. Shoot maybe 3 targets with each, LG and HG. Take the relay winners and the top 2 or 3 agg winners to a shoot off - call it a match and open the cooler and relax. ME LIKE!

Mike

 

[savagedasher]

I know I am personally 'burnt' out on all the loading and travel. We go at it just about ever weekend, driving 6 plus hours, usually much more to beat each other's brains out. I had much rather throttle it back and do more quality shooting, like Tom and Donavon said. Shoot maybe 3 targets with each, LG and HG. Take the relay winners and the top 2 or 3 agg winners to a shoot off - call it a match and open the cooler and relax. ME LIKE!

Mike

Mike
If I was going to shoot a match that is how I would want to do it. If it was a two day match each day would be the same. Then each day winners would shoot off. If a daily winner is the same shooter Then what? The answer needs to be addressed and stated in the entry. Larry

 

[johara1]

Jim,

I think your math is off, or possibly I'm lost, wouldn't be the first time. They currently have provisions for optional 2 targets aggs, per class per match number. That would only be 8 per class on a FOUR match weekend.

Tom

Tom, my math is spot on……… Think about it, if you have 40 people and have 4 relays a two target agg, is 8 relays for the match. No shoot off ……. so 2 light gun matches and two heavy gun matches 4 x 8 is 32 at least it was when i went to school, and again NO shoot offs. the old format with shoot offs is 4 relays and a shoot off relay per match or 5 relays per match x 4 matches is a total of 20 relays. Remember we shoot all day…….. lol….jim

 

[johara1]

I know I am personally 'burnt' out on all the loading and travel. We go at it just about ever weekend, driving 6 plus hours, usually much more to beat each other's brains out. I had much rather throttle it back and do more quality shooting, like Tom and Donavon said. Shoot maybe 3 targets with each, LG and HG. Take the relay winners and the top 2 or 3 agg winners to a shoot off - call it a match and open the cooler and relax. ME LIKE!

Mike

Mike, now i don't get it 3 targets plus a shoot off for one match??? That is more than than the shoot off relay now? jim

 

[Ga. Dawg]

Mike, now i don't get it 3 targets plus a shoot off for one match??? That is more than than the shoot off relay now? jim

Jim,

If you shot the match in this format, that would be it, match complete. Start again next match date, hopefully not the next day! Do away with 2 day shoots. Everyone shoots 3 targets, more shooting for everyone plus a shoot off in equal conditions.

Mike.

 

[Cool Tool]

It's the same number of relays, it's just that you will shoot more targets per relay. Each relay goes to the line, shoots 2 targets for light gun then sets up for heavy gun and shoots 2 targets, then the next relay sets up. Then that's the match. Easy!

You can not shoot two heavy targets back to back ten shot groups.

 

[Jason Boersma]

Why not? I did in a match this summer. You shoot one target, wait for the target crew to change targets then shoot the second record target.

 

[ridgeway]

Why not? I did in a match this summer. You shoot one target, wait for the target crew to change targets then shoot the second record target.

Thats fine if you don't care about your barrel, lol

 

[Cool Tool]

Jim,

If you shot the match in this format, that would be it, match complete. Start again next match date, hopefully not the next day! Do away with 2 day shoots. Everyone shoots 3 targets, more shooting for everyone plus a shoot off in equal conditions.

Mike.

I think you hit it the nail on the head that sounds very reasonable any one that wins a relay advances to shoot off an the agg winners advance then match winner lets say receives .05 for match win 2nd place for group an score receive .025 for Soy points an relay winners receive .06 for a relay just a thought.

 

[johara1]

That is a good point under the shoot off format a relay win is .05 times the number on the relay. Under the agg. format you get only .025 for the number of people on the relay. So you you need to win both relays to equal what you get under the shoot off format. I don't see a gain except you have to shoot more to get the same number of points………. jim

 

[johara1]

Jim,

If you shot the match in this format, that would be it, match complete. Start again next match date, hopefully not the next day! Do away with 2 day shoots. Everyone shoots 3 targets, more shooting for everyone plus a shoot off in equal conditions.

Mike.

Mike, what your saying is to shoot one match a day? 3 relays then a shoot off for the win? sounds like to me 10 trips for light gun and 10 trips for heavy gun a year ? or 10 trips a year Saturday and Sunday?……. jim

 

[DaveTooley]

You can not shoot two heavy targets back to back ten shot groups.

Nobody has any imagination .