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Buying/Selling with a Local Gun Store

a1712

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I see this brought up from time to time. I'll give a story about a recent interaction at a local LGS.
After purchasing my Wife matching S&W .32 H&R Mags, I didn't realize how much she would want to shoot them. She ran through 200 round in 2 weeks, so I needed to do something more cost effective. So, we ran back to the LGS and ordered her a matching S&W in .22LR. When we were going to pick it up, I remembered that had a really nice .357 Performance Shop revolver. I have a Les Baer Super Varmint I've shot a grand total of 20x's. I grabbed it and took it along to see about trading it. They were really interested in it and I explained what I wanted to trade it towards/for. They took it in the back, came back after awhile, and seriously offered me $250 for it. I just spent $2400 there in the last 3 weeks, they offered me $250 for it. THAT'S why people don't deal with LGS's. I understand their need to make money, I own a Tavern and my Wife operates a Kennel. But that just ridiculous. Brian.
 
If it is a current item you need to figure that they are going to offer you less than they can get it for wholesale. And depending condition and how long they'd need to sit on it, perhaps a lot less. So the question is do you know what the wholesale price is? Do you know what they are going for on the open market? One needs to do their research before you go for a trade. People who take trades are not charities. They need to make money as well.
 
If it is a current item you need to figure that they are going to offer you less than they can get it for wholesale. And depending condition and how long they'd need to sit on it, perhaps a lot less. So the question is do you know what the wholesale price is? Do you know what they are going for on the open market? One needs to do their research before you go for a trade. People who take trades are not charities. They need to make money as well.
Sure. They have to make money. But $250 is offensive. Poked around for 10 min on gunbroker and auction sites. 21 bids on a used 204 on gun broker for $1700+ with lots of time left. Other places had them for 2k or more. So yeah, $250 is a bullshit offer. There is a HUGE difference between making money and screwing a guy. Some businesses choose to try to make it all on one sale vs. having a lifetime customer.

Ive had similar experiences at some shops. I dont go there anymore because of it. If they dont want to be reasonable then I wont either!
 
Sure. They have to make money. But $250 is offensive. Poked around for 10 min on gunbroker and auction sites. 21 bids on a used 204 on gun broker for $1700+ with lots of time left. Other places had them for 2k or more. So yeah, $250 is a bullshit offer. There is a HUGE difference between making money and screwing a guy. Some businesses choose to try to make it all on one sale vs. having a lifetime customer.

Ive had similar experiences at some shops. I dont go there anymore because of it. If they dont want to be reasonable then I wont either!
It doesn't matter how much you've spent with them in the past. Your LGS is not your friend when it comes to making money and is not going to give you close to what you can sell for in the private market.

Move on. Sell on GB, or any other legitimate on-line site and put the money in your pocket.
 
Sure. They have to make money. But $250 is offensive. Poked around for 10 min on gunbroker and auction sites. 21 bids on a used 204 on gun broker for $1700+ with lots of time left. Other places had them for 2k or more. So yeah, $250 is a bullshit offer. There is a HUGE difference between making money and screwing a guy. Some businesses choose to try to make it all on one sale vs. having a lifetime customer.

Ive had similar experiences at some shops. I dont go there anymore because of it. If they dont want to be reasonable then I wont either!
Not sure where the 204 came from but he took two guns in for trade, a 357 wheel gun and gas gun, caliber not specified on the gas gun. Also not specified was what he told them he wanted for them. Also not clearly specified was what gun he was offered 250 for. We can presume it was the gas gun. And we know there were was no current research on valuations of either. Either way, they sound like they were too far apart and so the answer of no was was a good answer.

As an aside you won't get 250 for the gas gun in CA or WA since they are illegal here (for the time being).
 
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It doesn't matter how much you've spent with them in the past. Your LGS is not your friend when it comes to making money and is not going to give you close to what you can sell for in the private market.

Move on. Sell on GB, or any other legitimate on-line site and put the money in your pocket.
I deal with a number of LGS's around my area. I've received offers that I've had to say no to. Sold the guns via other means for considerable higher prices. Occasionally though I'm offered a fair price on trade and I accept it.
 
I see this brought up from time to time. I'll give a story about a recent interaction at a local LGS.
After purchasing my Wife matching S&W .32 H&R Mags, I didn't realize how much she would want to shoot them. She ran through 200 round in 2 weeks, so I needed to do something more cost effective. So, we ran back to the LGS and ordered her a matching S&W in .22LR. When we were going to pick it up, I remembered that had a really nice .357 Performance Shop revolver. I have a Les Baer Super Varmint I've shot a grand total of 20x's. I grabbed it and took it along to see about trading it. They were really interested in it and I explained what I wanted to trade it towards/for. They took it in the back, came back after awhile, and seriously offered me $250 for it. I just spent $2400 there in the last 3 weeks, they offered me $250 for it. THAT'S why people don't deal with LGS's. I understand their need to make money, I own a Tavern and my Wife operates a Kennel. But that just ridiculous. Brian.
That's ridiculous!! Take your business elsewhere if that's an option.
 
Easy. Don't sell it there. If it really bothers you don't go back there. Sell it yourself.

There are a dozen reasons why you will get a low offer on a gun. Does the dealer want to sell that type of gun? Does he already have a high inventory? How long would it take for him to sell it? Depending on location can he even hope to have a customer who would buy that type of gun at that price? etc, etc.

Last, what is the real value of the gun. Not what 10min on Gunbroker will show. A dealer will usually offer 50% of retail. Their determination of retail, not yours.
 
I see this brought up from time to time. I'll give a story about a recent interaction at a local LGS.
After purchasing my Wife matching S&W .32 H&R Mags, I didn't realize how much she would want to shoot them. She ran through 200 round in 2 weeks, so I needed to do something more cost effective. So, we ran back to the LGS and ordered her a matching S&W in .22LR. When we were going to pick it up, I remembered that had a really nice .357 Performance Shop revolver. I have a Les Baer Super Varmint I've shot a grand total of 20x's. I grabbed it and took it along to see about trading it. They were really interested in it and I explained what I wanted to trade it towards/for. They took it in the back, came back after awhile, and seriously offered me $250 for it. I just spent $2400 there in the last 3 weeks, they offered me $250 for it. THAT'S why people don't deal with LGS's. I understand their need to make money, I own a Tavern and my Wife operates a Kennel. But that just ridiculous. Brian.
The only luck I've had at lgs is via consignment.

Within the last month I attempted to sell a full custom Gunwerks actioned Kampfeld built 6.5 PRC on this site. Got down to $2500 still with no REAL interest here.

Consigned with lgs (they advertised on Guns International) and it sold within two weeks and netted me considerably more than what I was going to get on this site.

That's not always the case but consignment worked for me for this rifle.
 
Similar experience with automobile dealers. My wife wanted a new car, went to 2 dealers (identical model car). 2nd dealer offered 40% less for the trade in.
Made decision easy..
 
It doesn't matter how much you've spent with them in the past. Your LGS is not your friend when it comes to making money and is not going to give you close to what you can sell for in the private market.

Move on. Sell on GB, or any other legitimate on-line site and put the money in your pocket.
Agreed. They aren't your friend! Exactly why you owe them zero loyalty!!! Don't do business with people who try to screw you. That simple. At no point did I say they would give you the market value of the gun. But offering 10% of market? Yeah, that's a crappy move, they clearly do not want your business.
 
Not sure where the 204 came from but he took two guns in for trade, a 357 wheel gun and gas gun, caliber not specified on the gas gun. Also not specified was what he told them he wanted for them. Also not clearly specified was what gun he was offered 250 for. We can presume it was the gas gun. And we know there were was no current research on valuations of either. Either way, they sound like they were too far apart and so the answer of no was was a good answer.

As an aside you won't 250 for the gas gun in CA or WA since they are illegal here (for the time being).
How do you know there was no market research? His location says PA.
 
I see this brought up from time to time. I'll give a story about a recent interaction at a local LGS.
After purchasing my Wife matching S&W .32 H&R Mags, I didn't realize how much she would want to shoot them. She ran through 200 round in 2 weeks, so I needed to do something more cost effective. So, we ran back to the LGS and ordered her a matching S&W in .22LR. When we were going to pick it up, I remembered that had a really nice .357 Performance Shop revolver. I have a Les Baer Super Varmint I've shot a grand total of 20x's. I grabbed it and took it along to see about trading it. They were really interested in it and I explained what I wanted to trade it towards/for. They took it in the back, came back after awhile, and seriously offered me $250 for it. I just spent $2400 there in the last 3 weeks, they offered me $250 for it. THAT'S why people don't deal with LGS's. I understand their need to make money, I own a Tavern and my Wife operates a Kennel. But that just ridiculous. Brian.
Can't judge all LGS's from an experience with one. Just like customers, each one is different and some are turkeys. Plus it's a business transaction. If they had asked you too much for the previous firearms you purchased, you would have said no and looked elsewhere. This time they offered you too little and You said no and went elsewhere. You are not obligated to buy from them and vice versa. Real consumer/retailer loyalty went out of style a long time ago.
 
I can see that owning a local gun store is nothing but a pain. They can't buy in enough quantities to get good prices and it is probably a pain to have people wanting to transfer internet purchase through your FFL for $25; especially when the customer never priced it through them to begin with. We have only one in our small town, and the two guys running it are nice enough and try to be helpful. But they don't have the money to stock much. We only have one small gunshop that handles used guns and I never used them, so I don't know how reasonable they are. I do know if you buy a consignment gun, they don't charge sales tax and their prices seem reasonable.

I have asked several gunshops why they don't buy and sell used guns and they say it's just not worth the trouble. The seller always thinks you didn't offer enough for it and the buyer is always trying lower offers. Then, if there is trouble with the gun, the buyer is back in the shop expecting it to be fixed - free. You couldn't give me a gunshop.

Bottom line - for the general public - good knowledgeable people working in well stocked stores that also handle used guns are gone with the wind. We can all thank the internet for that.

We have one old gunsmith left, way out in the country. He's got to be nearing his late 70's and I think of him as a national treasure.
 
I see this brought up from time to time. I'll give a story about a recent interaction at a local LGS.
After purchasing my Wife matching S&W .32 H&R Mags, I didn't realize how much she would want to shoot them. She ran through 200 round in 2 weeks, so I needed to do something more cost effective. So, we ran back to the LGS and ordered her a matching S&W in .22LR. When we were going to pick it up, I remembered that had a really nice .357 Performance Shop revolver. I have a Les Baer Super Varmint I've shot a grand total of 20x's. I grabbed it and took it along to see about trading it. They were really interested in it and I explained what I wanted to trade it towards/for. They took it in the back, came back after awhile, and seriously offered me $250 for it. I just spent $2400 there in the last 3 weeks, they offered me $250 for it. THAT'S why people don't deal with LGS's. I understand their need to make money, I own a Tavern and my Wife operates a Kennel. But that just ridiculous. Brian.

When I sold guns for a living I hated working with trades, for this reason right here.


I would have to guess one of a few things happened as to why they offered you a low dollar amount:


1) Did they know exactly what they had? I was one of the main guys that appraised used guns and more often than not I’d have a part time salesman appraise a gun terrible wrong, way over and way under. It seemed to happen quite often that they simply had no clue how to go about appraising a gun or even what they were worth. Or they thought that every Model 94 was the third one ever produced, we over paid a lot for 94s.

2) End of the year. Trading guns in the last few weeks of December was tough for me because pressure from above wanted to keep inventory low and cash high. Neither of that happens when you take a trade that will probably be there come January 1st. Go back after the new year and see if they’ll do better.


3) They didn’t want it. As much as you love that gun, it might not be overly desirable for a local store to have and resell. So they figured if they could get it cheap their risk is as low as can be and more likely than that, they knew you wouldn’t take the offer and they wouldn’t be stuck with the gun. I did this on occasion rather than just flat out telling a guy I didn’t want to take the trade.

4) They’re worried about selling it and making money on it. I’m not sure you’re aware but margin in guns sucks balls. Used guns is the only guns a store will probably make a few dollars on after paying bills. The store I worked for wanted to make 30 points on a used gun. Meaning if I had a trade gun in my hands that i was fairly sure I could sell for $1000 the MAX I’m offering you is $700 for it. And when I come out and give my first offer, I’d most likely tell you $550. If the gun doesn’t sell in 30-40 days I have to mark it down, making less money on it, and repeat that until it sells. Then if that happens again with a different customer with the model same gun, I can’t even start at the same level, I have to base it on my sales history and offer you less. Risk on some used guns, especially niche type guns, is very high for the dealer. This is all happening after you bought the gun new from me for $1399 two years ago. Believe me it’s uncomfortable to even come out and do that, but that’s the reality. The shop has to make money. On a side note people who think rifles or guns in general are an investment have rude awakenings when they want to trade or sell. In this day and age they are not. If you bought a Remington 700 for $125 in 1965 then you’re going to make money on it. Not so much anymore.


5) They’re crooked and lowballed the hell out of you on purpose. In which case I’d stay away from them.


More often than not, I had trades that went well and both parties were happy but I dealt with many many people over the years who didn’t understand how it worked. A lot of guys thought that if I was selling a rifle for $500 they should get $475 for it on trade.

If you’ve seen them selling online for what you’d expect them to, take a crack at selling it yourself and see how it goes, you might luck out and get exactly what you want for it or…….not. But you won’t know unless you try.
 
Most of the gun shop owners I have known, aren't generally happy campers. About the only ones who are, are the hobby shop guys who already have a pension coming in, and selling guns and related stuff is kind of a way of supporting their own gun addiction.

The guys who have to rent a store-front, pay for some help, keep a decent inventory, maintain full-time hours usually six days a week-- AND show profit at the end of the month -- well it's pretty tough. jd
 
Any firearm that you trade in, you will get hosed.

So don’t trade.

Get a buddy with an FFL, then tip him a bit, and buy wholesale.

Retail is a drag. Plus they never have good stuff to sell. It’s always 37 different variations of a Glock. You can get any polymer striker fired pistol or cheesy hunting rifle at every single gun shop. I can’t remember the last time I bought a gun off the shelf?

LGS=literally gonna suck, low grade sh*#, likely got screwed,etc.
 
Not sure where the 204 came from but he took two guns in for trade, a 357 wheel gun and gas gun, caliber not specified on the gas gun. Also not specified was what he told them he wanted for them. Also not clearly specified was what gun he was offered 250 for. We can presume it was the gas gun. And we know there were was no current research on valuations of either. Either way, they sound like they were too far apart and so the answer of no was was a good answer.

As an aside you won't get 250 for the gas gun in CA or WA since they are illegal here (for the time being).
Unless I read it wrong he was trading a les baer ar for a performance center s&w 357. He said it was the les bear he was trading in. After spending what he did there and offering a completely ridiculous trade amount, if it was me they'd never see me again. I completely understand the shop has to make money to stay open but don't do something like that and then whine about internet sales or the hobby ffl holder.
 

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