Why FL resize?
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AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
Having tested neck sizing only with good results....the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
A properly dimensioned f.l. die (either a bushing or fixed neck style) that gives a repeatable amount of shoulder set back during sizing is preferable in all respects. This has been my experience in chamberings from the .17's to the .30's in everything from hunting guns to true Benchrest rigs.
There are some chamberings that neck sizing does work well due to dimensions and brass thickness (think the Hornet stuff, etc). They are the exception that proves the rule.
When you're neck sizing only and have to apply extra pressure to either open or close the bolt, what you're really doing is using the action and the chamber as a sizing die.
No amount of grease on the lugs and the lug abuttments in the receiver are going to withstand that kind of abuse for very long w/o galling.
You're also levering the back end up the bolt up against the upper bridge of the receiver and 'loading' a bunch of stress into everything.
When that happens, do you think the top lug is still in complete contact with the lug abuttment?
Or that the lower one isn't carrying an excessive amount of load that may lead to galling?
Good shootin'
-Al
A properly dimensioned f.l. die (either a bushing or fixed neck style) that gives a repeatable amount of shoulder set back during sizing is preferable in all respects. This has been my experience in chamberings from the .17's to the .30's in everything from hunting guns to true Benchrest rigs.
There are some chamberings that neck sizing does work well due to dimensions and brass thickness (think the Hornet stuff, etc). They are the exception that proves the rule.
When you're neck sizing only and have to apply extra pressure to either open or close the bolt, what you're really doing is using the action and the chamber as a sizing die.
No amount of grease on the lugs and the lug abuttments in the receiver are going to withstand that kind of abuse for very long w/o galling.
You're also levering the back end up the bolt up against the upper bridge of the receiver and 'loading' a bunch of stress into everything.
When that happens, do you think the top lug is still in complete contact with the lug abuttment?
Or that the lower one isn't carrying an excessive amount of load that may lead to galling?
Good shootin'
-Aldellet
Gold $$ Contributor
Consider that the accuracy potential difference between neck sizing and full length sizing is actually pretty minimal as far as the cartridge/rifle combination is concerned. Things go sideways when you introduce the shooter and a second shot. To have a fair comparison you would need to shoot a series of groups removing and replacing the rifle from the bags between each and every shot. Maybe even put a time limit between shots.
It’s not so much whether or not the bullet exits the barrel the same each time, it’s if the barrel is pointed the same way each time. The harder it is to work the bolt, the harder it is to get back on target, and constantly moving the rifle and or rest is a sure way to change point of impact.
It’s not so much whether or not the bullet exits the barrel the same each time, it’s if the barrel is pointed the same way each time. The harder it is to work the bolt, the harder it is to get back on target, and constantly moving the rifle and or rest is a sure way to change point of impact.
I learned long ago that it is fruitless to ask which gun on a gun forum. No matter which you choose there will always be detractors. I made that mistake asking about a 6ARC bolt rifle.
My advice after all these replies is to just go ahead and try for yourself, then you will gain experience and first hand knowledge. You may find you need both or one truly is better than the other.
Nothing wrong with a 6ARC bolt gun. Lots of fun and can reach out past 1000.
If the wind isn’t blowing and mirage is low.
At the 860 range I frequent, the 6mm guys pack up before noon when it all starts to get fun. My 208gr slices through the wind and allows me to practice my mirage reading.
You obviously haven't shot with me.
Then they must not know how to read wind. lol no issues in the wind and mirage is no worse than any other cartridge.
Why because our predecessors said so.
When you have most of the top competitive shooters agreement (STOP NECK SIZING) im gonna listen.
We loooooove to throw money at dies thinking were gonna find some crazy accuracy step no one thought of ..i dont know..but id rather have less dies and more priners.
So that ends that for me
When you have most of the top competitive shooters agreement (STOP NECK SIZING) im gonna listen.
We loooooove to throw money at dies thinking were gonna find some crazy accuracy step no one thought of ..i dont know..but id rather have less dies and more priners.
So that ends that for me
When a neck sizing die cost damn near as much as a full length sizing die that I’ll need to use eventually anyway, it’s pretty much of a no brainer decision for myself.
It doesn’t matter what someone else does or doesn’t do.
I’m also a 6mm guy that shoots 1K against 300 magnums in heavy gun class, you must run rounds without hang ups that disrupt the rifle in the bags.
It doesn’t matter what someone else does or doesn’t do.
I’m also a 6mm guy that shoots 1K against 300 magnums in heavy gun class, you must run rounds without hang ups that disrupt the rifle in the bags.
What in the world are you looking at? A Redding FL set is $60. A deluxe set is $93. Dont forget a shellholder.Yikes! Over $300 a set! I may not be Redding demographic.
REDDING 22 HORNET FL 2-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. To maintain tolerances and guarantee that your dies will last a lifetime, all Redding dies are heat treated in...
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REDDING 22 HORNET DELUXE 3-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. This guarantees that they will produce ammunition that will properly fit any standard (SAAMI) chamber, regardless of action...
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What in the world are you looking at? A FL set is $60. A deluxe set is $93. Dont forget a shellholder.Yikes! Over $300 a set! I may not be Redding demographic.
REDDING 22 HORNET FL 2-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. To maintain tolerances and guarantee that your dies will last a lifetime, all Redding dies are heat treated in...
www.grafs.com
REDDING 22 HORNET DELUXE 3-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. This guarantees that they will produce ammunition that will properly fit any standard (SAAMI) chamber, regardless of action...
www.grafs.com
At the Redding website. Not sure where else. Only $183 at Midway. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016308644?pid=876981
I've just not had any of these problems.
Maybe should have my dies and rifles evaluated.
A study in internet science.
Perhaps the trouble is pronounced in the custom built, tighter tolerance rigs?
Maybe should have my dies and rifles evaluated.
A study in internet science.
Perhaps the trouble is pronounced in the custom built, tighter tolerance rigs?
dellet
Gold $$ Contributor
What’s worked for years and gets the job done, your basic daily driver.What in the world are you looking at? A FL set is $60. A deluxe set is $93. Dont forget a shellholder.
REDDING 22 HORNET FL 2-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. To maintain tolerances and guarantee that your dies will last a lifetime, all Redding dies are heat treated in...
REDDING 22 HORNET DELUXE 3-DIE SET - Graf & Sons
Redding dies are made of the finest alloy steels obtainable and machined on Hardinge Super- Precision lathes capable of holding the tightest tolerances in the industry. This guarantees that they will produce ammunition that will properly fit any standard (SAAMI) chamber, regardless of action...
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The price on those dies at Midway is not likely to come around again anytime soon. If you’re interested in that type of setup, it’s probably something you should buy. The micrometer seating die is a very nice upgrade.
Hahaha, yes, that's still to come. I've got the Lee die set with the micrometer adjustment. I look at them and think at this point I'm so new I'm probably more of a yardstick adjustment guy.
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