I save the empty shell casings and sell them here. a member just bought 262 empty 17 Hornet cases, representing my groundhog tally in 2024. I don't know how we'll do in 2025, but we have a ways to go so far, each of these cases dropped a groundhog. Since the first week of June, I only post pictures when it's six or more in a day. Sixty one or two.