urbanrifleman
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I have been testing this product. It's kind of like Redding sizing wax but CLP. Using it on my bolts. Seems to work very well. Smells like toothpaste.
Your thoughts about gun grease?
- Thread starter Lee Whitsel
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danny
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jelenko
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The reports about caking up were about Froglube.
Probably over on Snipers Hide. [or Hide TV as it seems to be called these days]
I've never used it myself.
danny
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Thanks for clarifying. I get to try a lot of grease at work. Right now, at home, I use Mobil One Synthetic grease. There is a green grease at work that I really liked that I will get.
Green Grease
Danny
I have not used Frog Lube but it has always reminded me more of Mr Zogs Sex Wax I used on my surfboards and the wax I used on Skis.
Grease is basickly base oil with a soap thickner more often then not like lithium complex and calcium sulpphate are super common. Some thickners are not soap bases like bentonite clay. The oil floats the parts once the parts start to cut the grease or heat up the grease and the solids are normaly just a carrier for for the oil to keep it from leaking off the parts and at best also provide EP protection.
You can make this as complicated or simple as you want to make it. Nothing is more proven and studied then greases for different types of friction and wear because SAE white papers are a thing because industry spends huge amounts of money on capital goods. Minning, manufacturing, transport, and aviation etc.......I have never seen anything aimed just at the gun industry that is anything of significance.
There is nothing special about a gun from a machinery function and load stand point with reguard to it's moving parts.
Even Mil-Tec 1 was late tot h game I was purchasing it by the Gallon for machinery around my home as early as 1998 maybe 1997. My local fast oil change place had been using it long before that. They did not put it in small bottle and market it towards gun, rods and reels directly until well into GWOT I think. Early on you put a few drops on a patch after you cleaned your firearm then you wiped the guns parts down with that patch and then you put that patch in a ziplock bag to use again. That said it was used in mining and manufacturing long before that. Back then I used to purchase a gallon for I want to say $172 and that included shipping. Break Free CLP was $24 a gallon at the store. I do not use either anymore.
I have never seen a gun specific product that measured up when tested as anything special.
I have never tested under Artic Conditions. I do run my guns in temps as low as -35°F with M-1 0W40 in my gas gun, 10/22, and Browning BuckMark and never had a problem. I have never used my guns in a salt spray continiously for hours at a time then put them away wet either. Just like I have never had a nylon TA-50 gun belt rot off of me in the jungles of South East Asia but in costal Georgia my gear seemed to survive fairly easily with nothing special.
For the record before BreakFree CLP the various LSA products the US Army and other branches used where just Semi-Fluid 00 Grease biased towards corrossion protection, cleaning, and water sheeding. You used to be able to find the TDP for various forms of LSA and it did a decent job of listing what was in each formula and why!
Before my son shipped off to Syria in his 8 years in the National Guard he had put 140,000 rounds on his personal weapon. His time was up but it was stop gap go to Syria with unit even though his contract was up or they would force him to another location with another command for 2 years. He used the cleaning kit we purchased for him during Basic and AIT and what ever the US Army gave him nothing fancy. He did get a fresh M4 when he shipped off to Syria everything but the upper reciever was brand new.
The M16A1 I qualified with at Ft. Benning looked like it had been dragged behind Buba's pickup truck for a few hundred miles. They all had insane round counts on them and rebuilt more times than should be allowed by law! LOL My point is that you can repeat this tale with Mausers, Martini Henrys, Enfields and ona nd on and if the rifle was cleaned and oiled stupid high round counts and perfect function and decent finish are common. It is always the rifles that where used in 3rd world countries not cleaned or maintained warhoused in what ammounts to giant grass hut stacked like cord word that return to the USA rotted and pitted and worn.
I own Mausers that have been through more hands than a Wilson Basket ball that have no finish on the metal and not a single piece of wood that is not dented that are free of any rust, any pitting, decent bores still shoot fantastic. They where used heavily but where cleaned and maintained. So I think it is more about just keeping them clean and oiled and not so much about what oil you use. Corrosive ammo does more bore damage than anything else because they where not cleaned after use!
Do the maintence!
I
Grease is basickly base oil with a soap thickner more often then not like lithium complex and calcium sulpphate are super common. Some thickners are not soap bases like bentonite clay. The oil floats the parts once the parts start to cut the grease or heat up the grease and the solids are normaly just a carrier for for the oil to keep it from leaking off the parts and at best also provide EP protection.
You can make this as complicated or simple as you want to make it. Nothing is more proven and studied then greases for different types of friction and wear because SAE white papers are a thing because industry spends huge amounts of money on capital goods. Minning, manufacturing, transport, and aviation etc.......I have never seen anything aimed just at the gun industry that is anything of significance.
There is nothing special about a gun from a machinery function and load stand point with reguard to it's moving parts.
Even Mil-Tec 1 was late tot h game I was purchasing it by the Gallon for machinery around my home as early as 1998 maybe 1997. My local fast oil change place had been using it long before that. They did not put it in small bottle and market it towards gun, rods and reels directly until well into GWOT I think. Early on you put a few drops on a patch after you cleaned your firearm then you wiped the guns parts down with that patch and then you put that patch in a ziplock bag to use again. That said it was used in mining and manufacturing long before that. Back then I used to purchase a gallon for I want to say $172 and that included shipping. Break Free CLP was $24 a gallon at the store. I do not use either anymore.
I have never seen a gun specific product that measured up when tested as anything special.
I have never tested under Artic Conditions. I do run my guns in temps as low as -35°F with M-1 0W40 in my gas gun, 10/22, and Browning BuckMark and never had a problem. I have never used my guns in a salt spray continiously for hours at a time then put them away wet either. Just like I have never had a nylon TA-50 gun belt rot off of me in the jungles of South East Asia but in costal Georgia my gear seemed to survive fairly easily with nothing special.
For the record before BreakFree CLP the various LSA products the US Army and other branches used where just Semi-Fluid 00 Grease biased towards corrossion protection, cleaning, and water sheeding. You used to be able to find the TDP for various forms of LSA and it did a decent job of listing what was in each formula and why!
Before my son shipped off to Syria in his 8 years in the National Guard he had put 140,000 rounds on his personal weapon. His time was up but it was stop gap go to Syria with unit even though his contract was up or they would force him to another location with another command for 2 years. He used the cleaning kit we purchased for him during Basic and AIT and what ever the US Army gave him nothing fancy. He did get a fresh M4 when he shipped off to Syria everything but the upper reciever was brand new.
The M16A1 I qualified with at Ft. Benning looked like it had been dragged behind Buba's pickup truck for a few hundred miles. They all had insane round counts on them and rebuilt more times than should be allowed by law! LOL My point is that you can repeat this tale with Mausers, Martini Henrys, Enfields and ona nd on and if the rifle was cleaned and oiled stupid high round counts and perfect function and decent finish are common. It is always the rifles that where used in 3rd world countries not cleaned or maintained warhoused in what ammounts to giant grass hut stacked like cord word that return to the USA rotted and pitted and worn.
I own Mausers that have been through more hands than a Wilson Basket ball that have no finish on the metal and not a single piece of wood that is not dented that are free of any rust, any pitting, decent bores still shoot fantastic. They where used heavily but where cleaned and maintained. So I think it is more about just keeping them clean and oiled and not so much about what oil you use. Corrosive ammo does more bore damage than anything else because they where not cleaned after use!
Do the maintence!
I
I have a bunch of different brands of extreme pressure synthetic grease I use on everything from the excavator and Cat to the lathe, mill, fishing reels and locking lugs. I'm pretty satisfied with it. WH
ELR LVR
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I own and operate an ATV repair shop
and know the grease you're talking about
That CV Boot grease is a little runny in my opinion
Yes like pudding
-Compared to:
Say Red Fibrous wheel bearing grease
Which is more like thick ice cream or Meringue
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I throw away more of those packets of grease than I use
So if you want some let me know
Pay $10 shipping
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Anyway
The CV Boot grease may work well for the buffer spring in the tube of an AR
I would NOT use it on bolt lugs for a bolt action just because I think it would run and get all over.
I use thicker grease for bolt lugs
------------Here is a pic showing the two
I just opened a new packet of CV Boot grease
Notice the oily residue that seeps out over time
I think it's made to spread and run within the CV boot so the bearings stay coated
The red wheel bearing grease stays stiff, notice the tufty peaks
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Lee Whitsel
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I asked the ? just t0 get a g00d c0nversati0n g0ing and it has been interesting.
DShortt
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I must say, I believe it happens because I've read so much about it. But I've never had it happen or personally observed it.
Just how do lugs gall? What are ya'll doin' that caused that? It isn't the wrong grease on the lugs, because all I've ever used is a light coat of gun oil and over thousands of rounds, and this is something I've never seen.
Just how do lugs gall? What are ya'll doin' that caused that? It isn't the wrong grease on the lugs, because all I've ever used is a light coat of gun oil and over thousands of rounds, and this is something I've never seen.
danny
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Does anyone know of a grease solution that does not separate/weep oil after time, or is that not a possibility? I am less concerned about lubrication as I think most greases of the proper thickness will be suitable for firearms. I have some hope for the green grease I listed earlier, but I have not had a chance to try it.
Danny
Danny
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