1000yd coyote calling

[Tesoro]

I am starting a project to modify a Foxpro so that the remote range will be extended to a mile or more. I have places out in the high desert where I can drive to set up the base and then drive into new country across canyon 1000 yds to set up my shooting station. Might be fun! I think it will be fun!

 

[spencerhenry]

I have had coyotes run right up to the caller and sniff it, they do not stand still and are gone faster than they came in. Bait would work better for getting a shot at a stationary coyote.

 

[Tesoro]

I have had coyotes run right up to the caller and sniff it, they do not stand still and are gone faster than they came in. Bait would work better for getting a shot at a stationary coyote.

caller + bait to take care of the time of flight factor!

 

[6.5 forever]

I am starting a project to modify a Foxpro so that the remote range will be extended to a mile or more. I have places out in the high desert where I can drive to set up the base and then drive into new country across canyon 1000 yds to set up my shooting station. Might be fun! I think it will be fun!

Sounds like fun to me

 

[Tesoro]

do not stand still and are gone faster than they came in. Bait would work better for getting a shot at a stationary coyote.

I am not by any means an experienced predator caller. 95% of what I have shot has been by jumping out of the truck. I was talking to a friend who uses 'bait tubes', which are pvc 3-4 in pipes buried into ground at an ie 30 deg angle. Put meat down in the bottom and yote comes and sticks his head into tube to try to reach it. Can position tube so yote would be broadside to you. Good idea.

 

[Rock Knocker]

It sounds like a heck of an idea. Ive done a lot of coyote hunting in MN, we dont have those long desert shots and we have so much dense cover here that the coyote just act different than they do in the open plains or deserts.

For me, coyotes come in fast 70% of the time, almost all my shots are on a coyote under 100 yards and I have to bark at it to get it to stop moving, that would make 500+ yard shots near impossible.

Im just thinking out loud of how I would approach this, I havent tried it. But I think there are two cases where this long range could be made to work. I would set up a call opposite to how I normally would, normally I try to get the call in a low spot or dense brush with a clearing around it, I dont want the coyotes to see the call, I want them to have to run up to it to find out whats going on. Out in open desert, you could set the call in the open, where you can see all around. The idea is that you want curious coyotes to show up but calmly stop far from the call to look at the strange sounds right out in the open, they are very good at knowing the location of a sound from very far away. If the call is in dense brush or in a low ravine they must come look or use wind and they will keep moving until they see it or smell it, if the call is in the open and they can watch, they will stop and watch.

Second approach would be wind, very windy days. For me the harder the wind is blowing the further down wind a coyote will circle and the more certain that the coyote is going to rely heavily on its nose. On calm days the coyotes can approach from any direction, on windy days the coyotes are going to be coming from down wind or they are going to be heading down wind trying to get a scent. Its going to be tough shooting at long range on those windy days but thats one case were further call distance can be a big help.

The most important part is getting the coyotes to show up but keep them calm enough to stop and allow long range shots. I took my30" 260AI one day trying set up "long range" shots, MN doesnt have long range... I got a couple coyotes to show but it was like aiming an artillery piece at a pheasant.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

I setup on a cross wind because my ecaller remote doesn't work well past 50-60 yards, especially in cold(below 10F). I would like to have the option of 200-300 yards downwind. But than I can't read the display without reading glasses, lol.

 

[Rock Knocker]

I setup on a cross wind because my ecaller remote doesn't work well past 50-60 yards, especially in cold(below 10F). I would like to have the option of 200-300 yards downwind. But than I can't read the display without reading glasses, lol.

What Ecall do you have? I got one of the early FoxPros and the remote distance was so short I returned it thinking it was deffective, turns out thats what others were getting also. The model they came out with a couple months later was the Foxpro Inferno, I have that now and that remote range was increased by multitudes. I think the Inferno is old news now and I glanced at a new FoxPro at Cabelas a couple weeks ago, it had a different remote to the Inferno.

Ive always been interested in messing the remote and antenna ranges but Im a very bad techno geek and here in MN the newer remotes work probably 3x further than I will ever use.

 

[EE_Reloader]

This sounds like a really cool project. You would either need to increase the output power of the transmitter, this would mean a bigger battery or reduce your battery life. Or you would need to increase the sensitivity of the call itself; maybe solder in a bigger antenna on the call. This is right up my ally as I work as a radio frequency engineer. If you want to bounce any ideas, shot me a PM.

Edit: Now that I think about it you probably wanna go the antenna route. You could theoretically desense other equipment/devices around you if you increased the output power by a lot. There are FCC regulations on that kind of stuff for consumer electronics. Getting a schematic would be really cool but I doubt Foxpro or any other manufacture is just gonna hand over their design.

 

[Rock Knocker]

This sounds like a really cool project. You would either need to increase the output power of the transmitter, this would mean a bigger battery or reduce your battery life. Or you would need to increase the sensitivity of the call itself; maybe solder in a bigger antenna on the call. This is right up my ally as I work as a radio frequency engineer. If you want to bounce any ideas, shot me a PM.

Edit: Now that I think about it you probably wanna go the antenna route. You could theoretically desense other equipment/devices around you if you increased the output power by a lot. There are FCC regulations on that kind of stuff for consumer electronics. Getting a schematic would be really cool but I doubt Foxpro or any other manufacture is just gonna hand over their design.

Would there be a way to use a directional antennae for the remote? Even if the antennae was separate and attached by wire. Combine that with an improved omnidirectional antennae on the call..... If that worked out would you need to amplify the power output?

I dont have cell signal were I live so I got a cell booster, its a pretty simple thing and works very well. Ive often wondered what else it can amplify.

 

[RabbitSlayer]

Send it

 

[EE_Reloader]

Would there be a way to use a directional antennae for the remote? Even if the antennae was separate and attached by wire. Combine that with an improved omnidirectional antennae on the call..... If that worked out would you need to amplify the power output?

I dont have cell signal were I live so I got a cell booster, its a pretty simple thing and works very well. Ive often wondered what else it can amplify.

A separate antenna would also work on both the remote and or the call itself. You would not need to increase the output power of the remote, you would just be increasing the gain of the antenna in one direction. Hopefully the attached illustration helps explain my words.

Edit: The gain of the antenna is achieved largely by its physical design. The classic example is the Yagi-Uda antenna. It has a bunch of gain in one direction. A cell phone booster would amplify in all directions. It would help but you would be sending your signal in spherical manner.
This is burning unnecessary power from your battery.

 

[Rock Knocker]

A year ago I did some research on taking the HAM radio test, I never took the test but I found some interesting stuff, especially antenna making. But thats my full knowledge on the subject.

I would think for ease of use hunting, I would want a long wire or whip like antenna on the call and a directional antennae near me so i could point it at the call. If there was a directional antenna on the call you may get more range but then you need to deal with aiming the call at the hunters location, that may not be a big deal.

And with FoxPro, the remote is doing all the sending and the call is just picking up the remote signal?

I remember looking into making a Yagi antenna, that was one type of directional antenna, or one name for a directional antenna. I forgot the names of other antenna but a long roll up flexible antenna you could hang on a tree branch or bush would be great on the call. You would just need to know the correct frequencies, make youre two antenna then solder them into the call and remote? Mount the Yagi on a tripod at your hunting location and aim it at the call with a wire going to your remote.

Alsio to add, couldnt you just solder in a short AUX wire to where the factory antennas are now and then you could swap out or attach any combinations of antenna on the call and remote???

 

[Tesoro]

It sounds like a heck of an idea. Ive done a lot of coyote hunting in MN, we dont have those long desert shots and we have so much dense cover here that the coyote just act different than they do in the open plains or deserts.

For me, coyotes come in fast 70% of the time, almost all my shots are on a coyote under 100 yards and I have to bark at it to get it to stop moving, that would make 500+ yard shots near impossible.

Im just thinking out loud of how I would approach this, I havent tried it. But I think there are two cases where this long range could be made to work. I would set up a call opposite to how I normally would, normally I try to get the call in a low spot or dense brush with a clearing around it, I dont want the coyotes to see the call, I want them to have to run up to it to find out whats going on. Out in open desert, you could set the call in the open, where you can see all around. The idea is that you want curious coyotes to show up but calmly stop far from the call to look at the strange sounds right out in the open, they are very good at knowing the location of a sound from very far away. If the call is in dense brush or in a low ravine they must come look or use wind and they will keep moving until they see it or smell it, if the call is in the open and they can watch, they will stop and watch.

Second approach would be wind, very windy days. For me the harder the wind is blowing the further down wind a coyote will circle and the more certain that the coyote is going to rely heavily on its nose. On calm days the coyotes can approach from any direction, on windy days the coyotes are going to be coming from down wind or they are going to be heading down wind trying to get a scent. Its going to be tough shooting at long range on those windy days but thats one case were further call distance can be a big help.

The most important part is getting the coyotes to show up but keep them calm enough to stop and allow long range shots. I took my30" 260AI one day trying set up "long range" shots, MN doesnt have long range... I got a couple coyotes to show but it was like aiming an artillery piece at a pheasant.

Thx for the tips. Gave me some things to think about. As far as windy days go then I would pack up, or not go, as 1000 yds in those terrains have multi directional breezes which are impossible to hold for. The same on my ranges by home. Maybe the bait tube would not be necessary and one less thing to deal with.

 

[Tesoro]

A year ago I did some research on taking the HAM radio test, I never took the test but I found some interesting stuff, especially antenna making. But thats my full knowledge on the subject.

I would think for ease of use hunting, I would want a long wire or whip like antenna on the call and a directional antennae near me so i could point it at the call. If there was a directional antenna on the call you may get more range but then you need to deal with aiming the call at the hunters location, that may not be a big deal.

And with FoxPro, the remote is doing all the sending and the call is just picking up the remote signal?

I remember looking into making a Yagi antenna, that was one type of directional antenna, or one name for a directional antenna. I forgot the names of other antenna but a long roll up flexible antenna you could hang on a tree branch or bush would be great on the call. You would just need to know the correct frequencies, make youre two antenna then solder them into the call and remote? Mount the Yagi on a tripod at your hunting location and aim it at the call with a wire going to your remote.

Alsio to add, couldnt you just solder in a short AUX wire to where the factory antennas are now and then you could swap out or attach any combinations of antenna on the call and remote???

My X24 just arrived at my radio electonics whizz. See what he thinks once he takes it apart, but his initial thoughts were to boost the transmitter power and use a Yagi directional antenna. The antenna in the receiver boom box may or may not need to be improved. That is of course if he thinks this idea is even doable. it is computer code not radio so there are limitations to mods. I have Hope!

 

[Rock Knocker]

My X24 just arrived at my radio electonics whizz. See what he thinks once he takes it apart, but his initial thoughts were to boost the transmitter power and use a Yagi directional antenna. The antenna in the receiver boom box may or may not need to be improved. That is of course if he thinks this idea is even doable. it is computer code not radio so there are limitations to mods. I have Hope!

Sounds like its in better hands than mine.

 

[Tesoro]

I got some texts and pics of the internal guts of the remote from my tech guy. He sounded optimistic the plan could work. This in the antenna circuit

 

[6MMsteve]

nighttime shooting is the best no wind spent many nights shooting 1000yds testing back in the 80's but didn't actually know what I was doing, still don't but shooting some long range yotes would be fun

 

[Rock Knocker]

I got some texts and pics of the internal guts of the remote from my tech guy. He sounded optimistic the plan could work. This in the antenna circuitView attachment 1645023

Ask him about a little AUX wire sticking out for the antenna. Maybe you wouldnt want it, but with a simple AUX male/female connection you should be able to remove the larger antenna for storage and travel. Also, if one of the aftermarket antenna got damaged, it could simply be replaced without soldering or opening up the call or remote.

 

[jds holler]

I hope those coyotes appreciate the thought and effort you're putting into this project and have the good manners to show a little cooperation.
I've found the critters to be quirky and unpredictable, and frequently they don't seem to give a hoot about some of my most brilliant ideas when it comes to me killing them. jd