Supertrickler

[savageshooter86]

So now that it’s been out a while what are your thoughts on this unit? Pros/Cons. I currently have a FX120 and original ingenuity precision set up. But I find myself fighting to get dead on no matter what I adjust or try. Not the end of the world but wandering if the ST will eliminate or help some of my headaches of trying to get it to charge exactly what I want.

Let me know

Thanks

 

[Jdne5b]

Dead on is tough. +- 1 kernel is doable. Which is close to -.02+.04 depending on size of kernel. Your best bet is going to be the ingenuity system.

This was about the best session I’ve had. Done with a test version of a yet to be released update. The newest software release is going to be a good one.



(I’m still getting the ingenuity when it comes out)

 

[nwmnbowhunter]

Dead on is tough. +- 1 kernel is doable. Which is close to -.02+.04 depending on size of kernel. Your best bet is going to be the ingenuity system.

This was about the best session I’ve had. Done with a test version of a yet to be released update. The newest software release is going to be a good one.

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(I’m still getting the ingenuity when it comes out)

Still awesome stats.

 

[madmixerman]

If you would dial 44.41 instead of 44.40 you would end up with a closer result. Instead of 43.98 -44.02 you would end up with 44.00-44.02.

 

[kiwijohn]

@Jdne5b yes the change will be awesome. Just been assessing RC9 and decided to use the slow instrument (not bothered with it before), 80% of the time the Bulk and Fine hit target weight giving 8 second drops.
If slow kicks in the time may go to 10 or 11 secs. If pulse adds a bit the time will go up another 1 to 2 secs..Still need to do more testing and compare it without the slow instrument, but my day job (actually a night job) is getting in the way.

 

[Chiquita]

Dead on is tough. +- 1 kernel is doable. Which is close to -.02+.04 depending on size of kernel. Your best bet is going to be the ingenuity system.

This was about the best session I’ve had. Done with a test version of a yet to be released update. The newest software release is going to be a good one.

View attachment 1630746

(I’m still getting the ingenuity when it comes out)

This is REALLY good.

Do you mind sharing your profile detail?

 

[Jdne5b]

This is REALLY good.

Do you mind sharing your profile detail?

The AI got it to an avg of 9.3 seconds all on its own. I decreased the ramp down which got the average down to 8.0, but the last 100 or so probably averaged in the 6 second range.

I’ve learned that sharing profiles doesn’t help a lot. Individual machine differences and even climate impacts the results, plus this is with beta version of the software that I don’t believe would apply to previous versions.

Watch for the next release, install it and do a hard reset of your settings. Then let the machine set the speeds and go from there. The out of the box result was really really good and only took one minor change to get it even better once the AI was stable.

 

[jxb]

Thanks for the reminder, I dl v3.1 a week or so back but hadn't updated to it yet.

As to the OP question, ST isn't the end all to be all. It's nice when it's working well which is most of the time, then there's those times you'd like to toss it out the window or fill it with coffee.

 

[Court178]

This was about the best session I’ve had. Done with a test version of a yet to be released update. The newest software release is going to be a good one.

Any idea on the timing for this release?

 

[RubiconJoey]

In theory and on paper it sounds great but, in practice it's just not what it's cracked up to be. I found that it required too much fiddling about. I was always adjusting something and it never seemed to just work they way I wanted it to.

There were multiple software updates that claimed to be the best thing since sliced bread (I even see comments about a new version in this very thread) that never delivered much real world difference.

I was excited for the "AI self learning" feature because I thought that it would make for less fiddling about and quick tuning. However I found I still needed to mess with the settings.

It also seemed to throw powder everywhere. I 3D printed a shield and it did help but, it was yet another one of those things I shouldn't have had to deal with.

 

[Chris kloster]

In theory and on paper it sounds great but, in practice it's just not what it's cracked up to be. I found that it required too much fiddling about. I was always adjusting something and it never seemed to just work they way I wanted it to.

There were multiple software updates that claimed to be the best thing since sliced bread (I even see comments about a new version in this very thread) that never delivered much real world difference.

I was excited for the "AI self learning" feature because I thought that it would make for less fiddling about and quick tuning. However I found I still needed to mess with the settings.

It also seemed to throw powder everywhere. I 3D printed a shield and it did help but, it was yet another one of those things I shouldn't have had to deal with.

Agree, I have since sold my

 

[CharlieNC]

It seems to me that the technology of the scales and electronics has surpassed the ability to trickle one granule of powder at a time, which is the weak link of the system.

 

[jxb]

To be more clear on my position. Given the new IP unit will be shipping soon (yeah ok: two weeks, two weeks) AND it drops powder I'd wait for it.

I do a lot of ball powder and especially with stuff like H380 (round), stacking that in a horizontal tube just doesn't work out so well. More to the point, badly when you bump the cup and end up with powder everywhere. If I never used ball powder I might wait until the ST died, but I do so eventually I'll get my IP unit and if it's as good as it should be, then someone will get my ST for a huge discount.

 

[Hrsmn51]

MHO
When I first started using mine I was very happy. It does require some patients to get it up and running well. However year and half later move across country I have resorted to my old V3 AutoThrow system. Im on the order list for the ingenuity system but not holding my breath.
Both work the Super Trickler was more frustrating for me. No info on the V4.
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[Ruger15151]

So now that it’s been out a while what are your thoughts on this unit? Pros/Cons. I currently have a FX120 and original ingenuity precision set up. But I find myself fighting to get dead on no matter what I adjust or try. Not the end of the world but wandering if the ST will eliminate or help some of my headaches of trying to get it to charge exactly what I want.

Let me know

Thanks

You are never going to be dead on. Nothing is going to more accurate that +/- a kernel, including the $5,500 Prometheus that uses an internal beam scale. If you are loading something like Varget, that means a kernel is 2-3 hundredths of a grain. I would defy you to prove that makes a different on target.

 

[drop_point]

I'm very satisfied with my ST. A little tuning and it works great. My FTR loads take about 8-13 seconds on average and I get 0.02-0.04 +/- precision.

 

[Rset]

The issue it appears with any powder dispenser these days appears to be accuracy versus speed.
Electronic scales today read at levels we never would have dreamed of 40 years ago. This unfortunately causes people to obsess about needless things

When we try to keep a charge within 1 kernel of powder, we complain about the system. Granted, my old beam scale could show this, but how accurate was it really?, I have no idea because i never weighed those charges from all those years ago on a modern electronic scale. My loads still work, but I don't spend as much time trickling each charge since moving to electronics.

What is the real difference in 1 kernel of powder?, Are there other things in your loading process that are causing more issues? Very Likely.

Are you measuring individual case volume to see if if one more or less kernel of powder makes a difference? Are all other aspects of your case prep, bullet bearing surface, etc. all exactly the same? If not, you are chasing unicorns. We have too much technology, way too much extra money, and not enough common sense in our sports in my opinion.

Now, lets ask the real question. Are you able to shoot the difference? Unless you are in the top 1% or less of shooters, I say quit obsessing over your process and spend more time pulling a trigger and learning. You will likely spend less time and money doing tedious tasks and having a lot more fun. You will also likely get much better results. Most peoples reloading efforts outweigh their ability to shoot but not their wallets these days.

I use an ST and while it is not without issues, it works for those who don't mind playing with the vast number of options. Is it the best? Only to those who say it is.

IMHO

 

[nwmnbowhunter]

The issue it appears with any powder dispenser these days appears to be accuracy versus speed.
Electronic scales today read at levels we never would have dreamed of 40 years ago. This unfortunately causes people to obsess about needless things

When we try to keep a charge within 1 kernel of powder, we complain about the system. Granted, my old beam scale could show this, but how accurate was it really?, I have no idea because i never weighed those charges from all those years ago on a modern electronic scale. My loads still work, but I don't spend as much time trickling each charge since moving to electronics.

What is the real difference in 1 kernel of powder?, Are there other things in your loading process that are causing more issues? Very Likely.

Are you measuring individual case volume to see if if one more or less kernel of powder makes a difference? Are all other aspects of your case prep, bullet bearing surface, etc. all exactly the same? If not, you are chasing unicorns. We have too much technology, way too much extra money, and not enough common sense in our sports in my opinion.

Now, lets ask the real question. Are you able to shoot the difference? Unless you are in the top 1% or less of shooters, I say quit obsessing over your process and spend more time pulling a trigger and learning. You will likely spend less time and money doing tedious tasks and having a lot more fun. You will also likely get much better results. Most peoples reloading efforts outweigh their ability to shoot but not their wallets these days.

I use an ST and while it is not without issues, it works for those who don't mind playing with the vast number of options. Is it the best? Only to those who say it is.

IMHO

My buddy just has a beam scale and we verified with my fx it was indeed accurate to the grain of powder=0.02

These systems save me time that's it.

 

[kiwijohn]

IMHO the true advantage is the time it takes to throw by itself. I can be reloading while its throwing. I no longer use a reloading tray. The only case i deal with is the one about to get powder. The powder goes in, the projectile goes on, it goes in the die and voila new bullet. One about every 10 seconds.Without breaking into a sweat.
Thats about 17 minutes a 100 if my calculations right. Lets round it out to twenty minutes, thats 300 an hour. That cant be right?

 

[kiwijohn]

Lol never post when dinner is being served!
Lets call it 3 per minute.