UBR Levels the Playing Field

[WayneShaw]

For those who may not know, UBR is designed to take away the advantage of the bigger hole a 30 caliber makes, by having targets caliber specific. The 30 caliber target is the same and is the basis of design. There is a 243/6MM target and a 224 target. The scoring rings are made bigger as the bullet gets smaller, from the 30 caliber.

We hold 8 matches a year, we just completed our second season. Out of the 16 matches, a 22 has won 2 matches, 6MM has won 8, and a 30 has won 6. I think that speaks for itself for leveling out the playing field. And there is no organization to become a member of and yearly fees!

 

[gpoldblue]

For those who may not know, UBR is designed to take away the advantage of the bigger hole a 30 caliber makes, by having targets caliber specific. The 30 caliber target is the same and is the basis of design. There is a 243/6MM target and a 224 target. The scoring rings are made bigger as the bullet gets smaller, from the 30 caliber.

We hold 8 matches a year, we just completed our second season. Out of the 16 matches, a 22 has won 2 matches, 6MM has won 8, and a 30 has won 6. I think that speaks for itself for leveling out the playing field. And there is no organization to become a member of and yearly fees!

If you want a level playing field,why not do it like Porsche where everybody drives a Porsche or NASCAR where everybody drives identical cars(engines,transmissions,rear ends,tires,body's,etc)....now BR would just as boring as those two events. Competition was never intended to be even or it wouldn't be competition.....like the Ford and Chevy thing.
Good luck and stay safe.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

If you want a level playing field,why not do it like Porsche where everybody drives a Porsche or NASCAR where everybody drives identical cars(engines,transmissions,rear ends,tires,body's,etc)....now BR would just as boring as those two events. Competition was never intended to be even or it wouldn't be competition.....like the Ford and Chevy thing.
Good luck and stay safe.

I don't suppose anyone would mind if everyone was scored as shooting a 22 in group shooting. I wonder how long it'd take for everyone to start shooting a 22 of some sort. It's exactly the same thing and I don't hear anyone complaining that they take off the actual hole diameter in group, for the caliber you are shooting.

The only people I ever hear complaining about UBR are people who have never tried it. UBR gives no scoring advantage to bigger calibers. It doesn't penalize you for shooting a different caliber. This opposed to, you leave a lot on the table by shooting anything smaller than a 30 in IBS/NBRSA.

You really should try it. It works and is a great game, whatever ya wanna call it.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

For those who may not know, UBR is designed to take away the advantage of the bigger hole a 30 caliber makes, by having targets caliber specific. The 30 caliber target is the same and is the basis of design. There is a 243/6MM target and a 224 target. The scoring rings are made bigger as the bullet gets smaller, from the 30 caliber.

We hold 8 matches a year, we just completed our second season. Out of the 16 matches, a 22 has won 2 matches, 6MM has won 8, and a 30 has won 6. I think that speaks for itself for leveling out the playing field. And there is no organization to become a member of and yearly fees!

Actually, the 30 dot is smaller than IBS/NBRSA. The 30 dot is .050 vs .062. The dot and inner score rings get bigger exactly proportionate to bullet diameter. Very much the same as groups are measured by..based on caliber.

 

[Fuj]

The only people I ever hear complaining about UBR are people who have never tried it. UBR gives no scoring advantage to bigger calibers. It doesn't penalize you for shooting a different caliber.

I enjoy UBR type matches. there is one flaw though, but a slight one.
There is no 7mm target, and I have to shoot on the 30 cal. But that's
my choice and I fault no one. Targets are sized for .224, 243, and 308.
An off caliber is positioned to the next closest target size.

 

[WayneShaw]

If you want a level playing field,why not do it like Porsche where everybody drives a Porsche or NASCAR where everybody drives identical cars(engines,transmissions,rear ends,tires,body's,etc)....now BR would just as boring as those two events. Competition was never intended to be even or it wouldn't be competition.....like the Ford and Chevy thing.
Good luck and stay safe.

If you have shot a score match with a 6PPC or 22PPC on the IBS/NBRSA targets, you undoubtedly will have some REAL close holes that just don't quite make it. Same happens with a 30 caliber, but just not as often.
There are a lot of 6PPCs, 222s, 6BRs, 22PPCs that could shoot some great scores and be just as COMPETITIVE as a 30BR.

 

[WayneShaw]

Actually, the 30 dot is smaller than IBS/NBRSA. The 30 dot is .050 vs .062. The dot and inner score rings get bigger exactly proportionate to bullet diameter. Very much the same as groups are measured by..based on caliber.

Just keeping it simple Mike.

 

[gpoldblue]

If you have shot a score match with a 6PPC or 22PPC on the IBS/NBRSA targets, you undoubtedly will have some REAL close holes that just don't quite make it. Same happens with a 30 caliber, but just not as often.
There are a lot of 6PPCs, 222s, 6BRs, 22PPCs that could shoot some great scores and be just as COMPETITIVE as a 30BR.

So...there's still an advantage to the .30 because of it's hole size. Maybe oughta shoot some .338"s or .358"s on the .30 target.

 

[Kevin d]

Oughta show up with your 30 or 33 see how much advantage you have. Don’t knock it till you try it!!!

 

[jimmymac]

Hey Wayne. Thanks for running the matches. I enjoyed the ones I attended. Pay no attention to the naysayers.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

This explains the UBR caliber neutral scoring system better than anything I've seen. Show up and shoot the game or, well, you know the rest. Dust off your old ppc, 30br or whatever you have that you think you can go kick everybody's arse with. Most importantly...go have a good time. No matter how hard we work at this game, it's still about just that!!

 

[Eric Leonard]

I enjoy UBR type matches. there is one flaw though, but a slight one.
There is no 7mm target, and I have to shoot on the 30 cal. But that's
my choice and I fault no one. Targets are sized for .224, 243, and 308.
An off caliber is positioned to the next closest target size.

I thought if you shoot a 7mm or 6.5 that you scored with the 30 cal reticle, I’m pretty sure when there was a couple guys shooting a 204 in factory they shot the .224 targets and used the .224 reticle to score the targets. I may be wrong like usual though.

 

[anschuter2013]

UBR is a great solution that allows more competitors to show up and be competitive with the caliber of their choice.

What are the cons or detriment? There aren't any unless you just have to complain about nothing. Rant over. Show up and shoot, or zip it!

Some people type faster than they can think.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I thought if you shoot a 7mm or 6.5 that you scored with the 30 cal reticle, I’m pretty sure when there was a couple guys shooting a 204 in factory they shot the .224 targets and used the .224 reticle to score the targets. I may be wrong like usual though.

Yes, it's happened but afaik, it's not a scoring method mentioned in the rules and leaves more subjectivity to scorer's discretion. Heck, it can be pretty subjective even with the correct reticle for the caliber! That's why refs should always be appointed that have experience scoring targets.

As to whether or not that scoring is approved or if a record scored like that would hold up is above my pay grade. Ask Danny.

I know the idea is to make it easy to get people to participate, especially in factory class, where I think that rifle competed, although not by a rookie shooter...iirc. But, would/should it hold up? Not my call. But the rules should address it if so.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I enjoy UBR type matches. there is one flaw though, but a slight one.
There is no 7mm target, and I have to shoot on the 30 cal. But that's
my choice and I fault no one. Targets are sized for .224, 243, and 308.
An off caliber is positioned to the next closest target size.

Fuj, it would be against your personality not to do it the hard way buddy.

 

[george]

preach ! UBR this is the way.
all the commonly used calibers....if any other becomes common it will be added.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I see nothing wrong with the UBR Format, and I am a dedicated NBRSA VFS Shooter.

If I shot UBR, I would contemplate shooting a 22 PPC .100 short. Less recoil and arguably just as accurate as a 6PPC or any of the short 30’s.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I see nothing wrong with the UBR Format, and I am a dedicated NBRSA VFS Shooter.

If I shot UBR, I would contemplate shooting a 22 PPC .100 short. Less recoil and arguably just as accurate as a 6PPC or any of the short 30’s.

Of course I'm 1000% on the tuner bandwagon and I feel that they do away with(used properly) most of the benefit of using a cartridge that is or appears to be very tune insensitive, like a 30BR is assumed to be, a lot.

If it is in fact less tune sensitive, there's your advantage/reason for shooting one in UBR. But it won't be simply because you have a bigger hole!! Lol! FWIW though, most of us that have been around long enough, started out with a 30 in UBR and have migrated to other cartridges/calibers and the records show what has won and set records. Yes, a 30 can win and can set records in UBR and they have done so. Pick your poison for whatever reason you believe gives you the best chance to win. Heads up, against all comers and calibers.

If ya have to make a bigger hole in the target to win, which is how a 30BR came to dominate IBS/NBRSA, then who's fooling who with the crap about a level playing field being bad? Would a 30BR even exist without that clear advantage? Look at group shooting for your answer.

Not picking on you, Jackie. Just making my point. 6's hold most of the records but 22's have been coming on strong more recently.

 

[Evlshnngns]

UBR is a great solution that allows more competitors to show up and be competitive with the caliber of their choice.

What are the cons or detriment? There aren't any unless you just have to complain about nothing. Rant over. Show up and shoot, or zip it!

Some people type faster than they can think.

AMEN!

I like the UBR format.

With todays group measuring "apps" 6.5mm and 7mm could be scored on the 30 target digitally.

 

[jackieschmidt]

Of course I'm 1000% on the tuner bandwagon and I feel that they do away with(used properly) most of the benefit of using a cartridge that is or appears to be very tune insensitive, like a 30BR is assumed to be, a lot.

If it is in fact less tune sensitive, there's your advantage/reason for shooting one in UBR. But it won't be simply because you have a bigger hole!! Lol! FWIW though, most of us that have been around long enough, started out with a 30 in UBR and have migrated to other cartridges/calibers and the records show what has won and set records. Yes, a 30 can win and can set records in UBR and they have done so. Pick your poison for whatever reason you believe gives you the best chance to win. Heads up, against all comers and calibers.

If ya have to make a bigger hole in the target to win, which is how a 30BR came to dominate IBS/NBRSA, then who's fooling who with the crap about a level playing field being bad? Would a 30BR even exist without that clear advantage? Look at group shooting for your answer.

Not picking on you, Jackie. Just making my point. 6's hold most of the records but 22's have been coming on strong more recently.

Also, a good friend of mine in Tomball acquired Ronnie Cheeks 22 bullet making dies, along with a whole bunch of jackets to make that great Cheeks 52 grn 22 bullet. He told me I could borrow them any time.

The Cheeks 52 is recognized as one of the finest 22 bullets.