Competitive Shooting -- Letter from NRA Past President

[Codyway]

Seems to me that Gun Owners of America have been leading the anti gun control charge for the past several years. Pretty sure they have funded the successful scotus cases.
It was the nra that advised Trump to ban the bump stocks. The GOA spent a ton of money getting that reversed.
Hopefully, Trump will have a sit down with Eric Pratt in January.

 

[jpjulian]

NRA has lost all credibility with me. WLP got off almost completely unscathed. BOD were complicit in WLP's outrageous spending. The new President and EVP are old guard and do nothing for me to renew my faith in NRA. I've been a Life Member most of my adult life. I've vowed to not give NRA a penny until NRA enacts major changes, which includes prosecuting WLP. A few words by the new EVP from the old guard doesn't cut it for me. The NRA National Matches has almost become a non-event.

 

[ronsatspokane]

I'm surprised that no one has tried to claw back what WLP stole from the membership. Same goes to the rest of the board. All 75 of them. Just think about it, had that money been spent in lawsuits in Washington state, we would not have become CA with respect to gun laws. Of course one wonders when the cases that have been filed by individuals and corporate entities will ever make it to the SCOTUS.

 

[Kittitas George]

I'm surprised that no one has tried to claw back what WLP stole from the membership. Same goes to the rest of the board. All 75 of them. Just think about it, had that money been spent in lawsuits in Washington state, we would not have become CA with respect to gun laws. Of course one wonders when the cases that have been filed by individuals and corporate entities will ever make it to the SCOTUS.

The court ordered WLP to return a few million of what he stole, but he was not prosecuted. Wrong doers in 501(c) organizations need to be in the clink. Seventy five board members are not for oversite, they are to create confusion. I think many could be prosecuted for collusion, also taking graft. WLP did not operate in total secrecy, many knew of his crimes. Many of us on the 'outside' knew all was not well. Can we put together a team of good lawyers, from with in, that have more loyalty to the organization then WLP. I don't give a damn about WLP, his heart condition (I have one also), he and the board members, even some of WLP's family should be in JAIL. May abilities and knowledge for things like this are very limited, I can't help, I fell last week and am severely limited. My wonderful wife of 55 years is keeping me out of a nursing care place. I will be more than happy to contribute to putting the low life WLP in jail, let's start a "go fund me" to jail him.

 

[danny]

The court ordered WLP to return a few million of what he stole, but he was not prosecuted.

I bet be feels that he got a good return on investment for his efforts.

Danny

 

[Kittitas George]

I bet be feels that he got a good return on investment for his efforts.

Danny

WLP is not being reprimanded any more than a child being told 'put the candy back'. And the board was not questioned (that I know of) about "How did this happen?" "What have you done to change it?' "How much did the board members benefit?" WLP is still allowed to be an 'unpaid' advisor' after stealing millions. I have only seen one newspaper article about all this. The NRA should publish a complete accounting of all the 'hanky panky' and stealing that has happened during WLP's time. Others are guilty also, it was a huge conspiracy. The case in NY was a civil case, not a criminal case, from my limited info. I want the NRA to continue as the fine shooting, training and information organization it was before WLP. Get rid of the scum, get it back like it was in the 1960s when I joined. It had less than a million members, with a great reputation.

 

[danny]

Open Letter to NRA’s Community of Competitive Shooters ~ NRA Past President, John C. Sigler

NRA is strongest when its competitive shooting programs are healthy and strong. Competitive shooters are all strong Second Amendment activists.

www.ammoland.com

Anyone see this? Thoughts… mine are it’s pretty much too late. Thanks Wayne and the people who allowed him to exist.

I hope that the NRA does not let the National Matches die. I went to the competitions site a week ago and saw links that were about signing up for the 2024 National Matches.

Danny

 

[c3d4b2]

Having read all of these comments ; I'm just minorly perplexed as to why all those who are complaining , ......
You don't throw the Baby out with the Bath Water !

It looks like the NRA's focus shifted in 1977.

NRA: 'Revolt at Cincinnati' molded National Rifle Association

The strength and the political position of the NRA was born one night in Cincinnati in 1977.

www.cincinnati.com

I also question how to ho about making the changes. It appears there is an effort to keep things as they are.

Once More Into the Breach: Trying to Save the NRA

Then in a surprise move, the board elected Bob Barr to replace Willes Lee as First VP. Without the Bylaw change, Lee could have been elected NRA President.

www.ammoland.com

Was looking further into how to effect chang and ran across this. It looks like there is an effort to make chang more difficult by the leadership. It looks like the measure passed......

Vote “Yes” On The 2017 NRA Bylaw Amendments

NRA members will have the opportunity to vote on a comprehensive package of important NRA bylaw amendments that have been unanimously recommended by the NRA Board.

www.ammoland.com

 

[Fuj]

Is it just me but has anyone noticed that NRA mailers have about
decreased to nothing ?? During the time the trial was going on, it
seemed I was getting one a week looking for money !!

 

[outasite`08]

Is it just me but has anyone noticed that NRA mailers have about
decreased to nothing ?? During the time the trial was going on, it
seemed I was getting one a week looking for money !!

Very good point. I can`t remember the last time I received anything except the ballot. On the other hand, I get junk mail from the same outfits some twice a week with a gadget or two included that want money.

 

[D Coots]

Wondering how many have written the NRA with their concerns?

 

[Joe Salty]

For the people like myself, I am a Patron Life Member! Like my mother always said the love of Money is the root of all evil. Why the hell wasn't ted Nugent, Our President after Charlton Heston he doesn't need to steal the money.

Joe Salt

 

[danny]

Is it just me but has anyone noticed that NRA mailers have about
decreased to nothing ?? During the time the trial was going on, it
seemed I was getting one a week looking for money !!

Yes,
I was thinking about all of the please donate money mailings I used to get, even as a life member, not long ago, and then wanted to bring that topic up here. I bet I sometimes got two mailings in a week. I haven't seen one in what seems like years, not that I miss them. What can be made of their absence?

Danny

 

[mike mccormick]

I am still getting at least one mailer per month, begging for me to " upgrade" my life membership. I will gladly send mine to anyone that misses them. The board allowed WLP to take millions from us for years before anyone heard about it. They all need to go to prison.

 

[Kittitas George]

I am still getting at least one mailer per month, begging for me to " upgrade" my life membership. I will gladly send mine to anyone that misses them. The board allowed WLP to take millions from us for years before anyone heard about it. They all need to go to prison.

How do we get this done? The current leadership is ignoring the elephant in the room. They demonstrate a great ability to ignore crime and criminal behavior. Many if not all are guilty of not full filling their fiduciary obligations and also an 'oath of office'. I gave up my 'life membership', as a non-member I have no say or 'skin in the game'. also I don't have the knowledge or ability to pursue this. I would love to see the NRA back to pre WLP days and rejoin. It was a fine organization, lots of history, knowledge and education in the shooting sports. I want it to return. A lot of history is about to go away is something isn't done.
"When the old man dies the library closes" The NRA is a great historical organization.

 

[jpjulian]

I haven't seen a fund-raising mailer in a long time. I was sending them back, in the postage paid envelopes, with a note saying not a penny until WLP is gone and prosecuted. I haven't even seen a ballot for at least 5 years and I'm a Life Member. Guess my notes ticked them off or something.

 

[Webster]

Right. I need to see a plan to reorganize the broken board also. There is absolutely no reason to have 75 board members.

Later
Dave

There is a reason for 75 board members. They can give their friends a large legal paycheck for doing almost zero. They probably attend a 2 hour meeting a couple times a month.

 

[Fuj]

I haven't seen a fund-raising mailer in a long time. I was sending them back, in the postage paid envelopes, with a note saying not a penny until WLP is gone and prosecuted. I haven't even seen a ballot for at least 5 years and I'm a Life Member. Guess my notes ticked them off or something.

What I was doing, only I used some stronger language.....

 

[YEW PLUCKER]

Fellas, It is our organization.

I have been a life member for over thirty years. In that time I saw what the NRA descended into. My first clue was how the NRA didn't stand at all against the Brady Bill. Then gave only lip service to trying to stop the "assault weapons" ban. They never held anyone's feet to the fire. When Congress changed hands (1994) back to significant Republican control, the NRA's membership mushroomed. The organization had a chance then to push the repeal the "assault weapons" ban, and never lifted a finger.

I felt angry and betrayed as many members did. My close friend said the NRA stood for "Not Relevant Anymore". I did as some of you have said with the fund raising mailings. In the late 1990s I sent a letter back to them (several times) in their own postage paid envelope, which said basically, "When the NRA causes the AWB to be repealed, gets the Brady Law repealed, Advocates for the repeal of the GCA and the NFA, I will consider sending more money. As of now, any funds I care to donate will go to GOA or other organizations." The mailings stopped.

As I said above, it is our organization. The question was, how do we bring back formal competitive shooting?

Local club affiliations?
Yes.

Heavily advertise and support the National Matches?
Yes.

Get affiliated with other clubs which might not be oriented toward shooting, but the members cross over significantly, such as 4H?
Yes.

The NRA MUST also embrace action shooting sports such as USPSA, PRS, Machine Gun shoots, Biathlons (how about PRS on Skis?) etc...

When it is time to fight harmful legislation, the NRA MUST fight tooth and nail, and NEVER compromise!

That means no deal cutting.

That means no selective support or non-opposition to politicians in the enemy camp. They are either 2A supporters, and I mean purists, or they are not.

No more African Safaris at membership expense. Focus on the mission and the mission only.

If the NRA completely cleans house now, and focusses on its two core missions, members will come back and local clubs affiliations will increase. Support for competitive shooting across all disciplines will blossom.

Just my two cents.

 

[Jager]

The article misses the elephant in the room. The NRA's woes have little-to-nothing to do with competitive shooting.

There's not much I despise more than woke. But corrupt tops that short list.

Fool me once, and all that...