O K SO DO I HAVE TO EAT CROW ?

[Konocti's Wigwam]

My wife got me to fear crow...turns out in Japan they believe if crows show up in your yard, it means someone died recently. I hear them by my office all the time, they're loud. I can't help but ponder if my 96 year old mother-in-law is ok when I hear them.

 

[Nomad88]

I like my Annie Annealer

 

[Bill Norris]

Well looks like steak it is then. But the crow may not be too bad if we anneal it. LOL.

 

[K22]

Can't be any worse than groundhog legs - well, maybe it can be.

But seriously, I never doubted the benefits of annealing, anything that makes the process more consistent has to be helpful in precision shooting. I am just too old to start now and do not want to buy more equipment - it violates my "minimalist" creed.

Besides, I am getting the results I need without it, but I am in no danger of ever winning a target shooting competition unless it is restricted to cross sticks and then I will take on all comers.

 

[SVT_Tactical]

With this induction unit I built I can't imagine an AMP would improve anything. I told Bill we need to shoot a couple test. 2 - 5 shot groups, no annealing, 2 - 5 shot groups using my annealer. And find someone to Amp anneal to do 10 for us to do 2 - 5 shot groups with that brass. Compare the ES and SD and share. I'd be shocked to see much better changes with the AMP but if I did..... I'm the type I'd end up buying one.
I have $225-$250 in my homemade induction unit. It's fast and quiet.


Who's got an AMP we can send 10 pieces of brass to?

 

[SteveOak]

It was an induction tool he made and it works really good.

Yea, I'm in debt to him big time once again.

That is what friends are for.

 

[Bill Norris]

That is what friends are for.

Absolutely and he really does alot for me.

 

[JFrank]

Did the target improve or just the numbers ?

 

[SVT_Tactical]

Did the target improve or just the numbers ?

Target too.

 

[Bill Norris]

Did the target improve or just the numbers ?

Oh yea. Groups were good but looks like it did tighten up too.

 

[swd]

Is crow pie cheaper than an Amp annealer? Just asking, LOL

I love my Amp btw!

 

[Mark611]

Good to hear you learned something! but chicken is better LOL!!!!

 

[1shot]

I anneal after every firing, because I can! I know it helps, it doesn't hurt anything and I sleep better at night.

Lloyd

 

[Emmett Dibble]

Quite literally the one “main” thing I have done to cut numbers drastically and consistently. I even anneal my 30-30 and 32-20 brass now that only goes out a couple hundred yards. Same experience as you, immediately went from double digit sd to single and teens es.

 

[Lone Hunter]

I anneal after every firing and it makes seating much easier. I use Redding Dry Graphite to seat the bullet. Crow is not so bad if you eat enough of it, kinda get used to the taste, but would rather eat something else.

 

[mikecr]

do I have to eat crow?

No, and I doubt it's a done deal on one parameter.
After all, it could be easy to get a low ES combination/method -that shoots like crap..

Some folks lower ES with crimping, or with annealing, or sizing changes, etc.
There are all kinds of adjustments to local powder tune.
Annealing lowers tension, thereby variance of tension, but then your load needs to like low tension.
It's hard to calibrate affects of annealing compared to tension changes through sizing, so I look at sizing results to determine if annealing could be a viable/long term solution.
But so far I haven't seen frequent annealing as a solution over sizing. If anything, I'm leaning towards crimping.

Go another cartridge/barrel/chamber/dies/powders/primers, and it can all change

 

[Bill K]

Eat crow, NO. You just learned that annealing can be a necessary step in the reloading process, for good results.

 

[DiffEQ]

You have seen the light.
Whether you use flame or induction makes little difference provided your technique is proper.
Leave crows out of it, I say dig into a nice, thick porterhouse.
Oh, and wash it down with a good whiskey....

 

[drop_point]

A guy has to be willing to learn or he'll stagnate.

 

[Bill Norris]

A guy has to be willing to learn or he'll stagnate.

Absolutely, Always willing to listen to ideas and try new procedures. Sometimes, as in this case I was blind to the fact that annealing could help not only with neck consistency but shoulder bump as well.