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Garmin Xero C1 Pro - The One to Rule Them All?

Good points, RegionRat. I found the same issue looking for Garmin data with my iPhone and iPad. As you note, it doesn't show up in both places. It does seem that it should be do-able whether in the Garmin software or via Apple. Texts and emails are common access across Apple platforms using "the cloud." However, I don't see Garmin's Shotview app in the iPad or iPhone cloud selections. Maybe soon?

I have decided I'll just use the iPhone for Garmin's Shotview and the iPad for Shotmarker. FWIW, I have not yet tried running Shotmarker and Garmin on the same device. It ought to work since Shotview uses Bluetooth and Shotmarker uses WiFi.
 
I have decided I'll just use the iPhone for Garmin's Shotview and the iPad for Shotmarker. FWIW, I have not yet tried running Shotmarker and Garmin on the same device. It ought to work since Shotview uses Bluetooth and Shotmarker uses WiFi.
That is what I was doing. I ran an iPad for the ShotMarker and only switched over to ShotView to annotate the notes and review the string. It gave me no trouble going back and forth between the Garmin and the ShotMarker.
 
Finally got to the range and tried out the Xero C1 Pro, worked like a champ and had no issues at all capturing anything, even my Swift at 4530 it got em all. My 6GT got some strings with single digit SD/ES so that helped, but Swift loads were not grouping well (enough) in my ladder even on the good ones and the SD/ES was pretty poor. So that's good and bad, nice to see that data as I'm thinking I need to try another combination of powder and bullet.

The unit performed flawlessly, I do however have some RFE items to submit for the firmware and app. Minor stuff, just to make processing data more efficient.
 
Being a Gen X I find technology to be a hurdle frequently. But the complaint of not being able to plug the unit in and download the data or remove a card and then slip that in your PC to read is a joke. There was nothing more inconvenient than having to remove the card from my magnetospeed and copying data to my hard drive. The Garmin app allows you to send yourself an email then you just click to open the attachment copy and paste the velocities into your spreadsheet or just leave them as is in a CSV file.
The absolute last thing i would want is a requirement to plug the device in or remove a card to download the data. This is something Garmin got 100% correct. Maybe the luddites with flip phones will take exception but then again maybe you are still using rotating paper disks as a chronograph.
 
Being a Gen X I find technology to be a hurdle frequently. But the complaint of not being able to plug the unit in and download the data or remove a card and then slip that in your PC to read is a joke. There was nothing more inconvenient than having to remove the card from my magnetospeed and copying data to my hard drive. The Garmin app allows you to send yourself an email then you just click to open the attachment copy and paste the velocities into your spreadsheet or just leave them as is in a CSV file.
The absolute last thing i would want is a requirement to plug the device in or remove a card to download the data. This is something Garmin got 100% correct. Maybe the luddites with flip phones will take exception but then again maybe you are still using rotating paper disks as a chronograph.
Wait, the only way to get your data is to email it to yourself? Could you save it to your phone, or maybe put it on google drive?

Agree that the card complaint is weird. A smartphone is basically a card. Save it to your phone, plug in your phone to the computer. The phone shows up the same exact way as an SD card in your operating system. Hell, most modern laptops do not even have a full size SD card insert anymore.
 
How does a guy pair the device to a smart phone ?
 
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Being a Gen X I find technology to be a hurdle frequently. But the complaint of not being able to plug the unit in and download the data or remove a card and then slip that in your PC to read is a joke. There was nothing more inconvenient than having to remove the card from my magnetospeed and copying data to my hard drive. The Garmin app allows you to send yourself an email then you just click to open the attachment copy and paste the velocities into your spreadsheet or just leave them as is in a CSV file.
The absolute last thing i would want is a requirement to plug the device in or remove a card to download the data. This is something Garmin got 100% correct. Maybe the luddites with flip phones will take exception but then again maybe you are still using rotating paper disks as a chronograph.
It isn't generational, or really a question of fear of technology.

When you get a breath, count how many minutes and steps it takes to slide a card from a unit into a laptop and transfer a day's worth of strings, then ask yourself honestly if you feel like driving all the way to the next tower for signal to get to email that data or how many total keystrokes that takes to land you in the same place. Then come back and see me..... it is basic.

Could you save it to your phone, or maybe put it on google drive?
Yes, you can export the data in CSV format to the tablet or phone you are using to run the app. Just make sure you don't run from more than one device or the unit and the app will not transfer to a different one. It is a quirk that they should fix, but don't bring that up since one of those Gen-Xers who never designed a chip, circuit board, or architecture might cry and start name-calling.

How does a guy pair the device to a smart phone ?
All you need is the ShotView app from Garmin, and the unit will pair itself to your smartphone or iPad. Like I said above, just don't run more than one device or the data will not flow between them. You end up needing to run that same phone or tablet to access the history files in the unit.
 
It isn't generational, or really a question of fear of technology.

When you get a breath, count how many minutes and steps it takes to slide a card from a unit into a laptop and transfer a day's worth of strings, then ask yourself honestly if you feel like driving all the way to the next tower for signal to get to email that data or how many total keystrokes that takes to land you in the same place. Then come back and see me..... it is basic.


Yes, you can export the data in CSV format to the tablet or phone you are using to run the app. Just make sure you don't run from more than one device or the unit and the app will not transfer to a different one. It is a quirk that they should fix, but don't bring that up since one of those Gen-Xers who never designed a chip, circuit board, or architecture might cry and start name-calling.


All you need is the ShotView app from Garmin, and the unit will pair itself to your smartphone or iPad. Like I said above, just don't run more than one device or the data will not flow between them. You end up needing to run that same phone or tablet to access the history files in the unit.
If you use a 2nd phone or tablet, will you be able to use the Garmin at all? I get that you cannot get to the data from the first phone, but will it allow saving data for the 2nd phone, like a separate partition for lack of a better term.
 
If you use a 2nd phone or tablet, will you be able to use the Garmin at all? I get that you cannot get to the data from the first phone, but will it allow saving data for the 2nd phone, like a separate partition for lack of a better term.
Yes, it runs fine but for some reason if you run a set of strings on a particular device, then later try to open that history on a different one, you can't.

It only shows file session history to the original device running during the session. In so many words, if you can't re-open the history, then you can't export and save either. That means you will either export as you run, or use the same device later.

Now, I shouldn't chide that other poster, but even Garmin support team agrees that is a bug they need to fix. All of the history is stored on the unit unless and until you delete. How much sense does it make to have your unit in your hands at home, have it cabled to your laptop, and not be able to export the data?

Frankly, if you have the Garmin laptop app running, and you plug in your unit, you can't export a CSV file, but you can use Windows to read their proprietary FIT files. Those will require you to run yet another external code to translate their binary data into usable format.

I recommend the Garmin, but you will need to be prepared to export and store the CSV files using the same device you ran when in the range session, which isn't a big deal as long as you know about it ahead of time. They will eventually fix this so anything else that you pair or connect later can open and export the CSV data.

This is what a Garmin export looks like when exported as a CSV file and opened with a spreadsheet program like Excel.

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It isn't difficult, it is just tedious and cumbersome compared to pulling an SD card.

I often run in remote places where there is no cell tower or internet. I have to do my analysis before leaving the locations, so the idea of driving to cell towers is a pain. On my first session, the iPad used at the location was in one place, and I went to another thinking I could just use the ones at the second location. Nope.

After a minute or two, I figured out that only the original iPad running the session can access the history. Problem solved. No more looking at the Garmin with multiple iPads or phones. Just stick to the one you plan to use later.
 
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Yes, it runs fine but for some reason if you run a set of strings on a particular device, then later try to open that history on a different one, you can't.

It only shows file session history to the original device running during the session. In so many words, if you can't re-open the history, then you can't export and save either. That means you will either export as you run, or use the same device later.

Now, I shouldn't chide that other poster, but even Garmin support team agrees that is a bug they need to fix. All of the history is stored on the unit unless and until you delete. How much sense does it make to have your unit in your hands at home, have it cabled to your laptop, and not be able to export the data?

Frankly, if you have the Garmin laptop app running, and you plug in your unit, you can't export a CSV file, but you can use Windows to read their proprietary FIT files. Those will require you to run yet another external code to translate their binary data into usable format.

I recommend the Garmin, but you will need to be prepared to export and store the CSV files using the same device you ran when in the range session, which isn't a big deal as long as you know about it ahead of time. They will eventually fix this so anything else that you pair or connect later can open and export the CSV data.
Thank you for the very detailed writeup. Reason I was asking is if two people were frequently using the Garmin. Like, two people in a household father and son using it when one of them goes to the range. They would have different phones.

Sounds like the way to mitigate this would be to either download that sessions data right away or to use an old smartphone or tablet that stays with the unit. Either way, not a problem currently for me, but I can see in very rare cases something like that may come up. By the time I end up with a Garmin (or what ever wins the next gen race), this stuff will hopefully be fixed.
 
Thank you for the very detailed writeup. Reason I was asking is if two people were frequently using the Garmin. Like, two people in a household father and son using it when one of them goes to the range. They would have different phones.

Sounds like the way to mitigate this would be to either download that sessions data right away or to use an old smartphone or tablet that stays with the unit. Either way, not a problem currently for me, but I can see in very rare cases something like that may come up. By the time I end up with a Garmin (or what ever wins the next gen race), this stuff will hopefully be fixed.
That about sums it up.

So, when I explain to some GenXer that their adversaries are really good at jamming comms, so their electronics and GPS will go down, maybe they won't wet their beds when we tell them to leave their cell phones behind and learn to navigate life without them? But what do we know, we are just luddites with flip phones.... LOL
 
That about sums it up.

So, when I explain to some GenXer that their adversaries are really good at jamming comms, so their electronics and GPS will go down, maybe they won't wet their beds when we tell them to leave their cell phones behind and learn to navigate life without them? But what do we know, we are just luddites with flip phones.... LOL
Most of them have zero idea how to collect potable water or gather food, or even how to make fire and shelter. Their electronics not working is the least of their problems.

OOPS my bad, I'm thinking of Millennials and younger.
 
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Im confused are you guys ragging on genXers as too tech dependent or too confused bytech? Are they too young or too old in this scenario?

The median age of a GenX is 52 years old. So the grandpa's are not able to grasp this stuff?
 
Im confused are you guys ragging on genXers as too tech dependent or too confused bytech? Are they too young or too old in this scenario?

The median age of a GenX is 52 years old. So the grandpa's are not able to grasp this stuff?
Don’t know about ragging but I’m 74 and didn’t have any problems downloading the ap and getting up and running. I’m also comfortable living in a wall tent in sub freezing weather hunting my own food. Age is a state of mind IMHO.
 
Im confused are you guys ragging on genXers as too tech dependent or too confused bytech? Are they too young or too old in this scenario?

The median age of a GenX is 52 years old. So the grandpa's are not able to grasp this stuff?
Um er, well I'm one of those grandpa's but tail end of boomers or so they tell me. Yeah I was thinking of Millennials and younger. You know the ones that think milk, eggs, and meat come from the store and get grossed out when they find out otherwise. Amazing how many people just can't accept that some critter or plant had to die so they could go on living, but for whatever reason they keep eating.
 

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