What are you wanting to open the bolt for...what cartridge? Grendel and ppc brass can be necked up or down and make good options too.
PPC bolt face
- Thread starter Kime88
- Start date
I've shot a 30 Major for a long time and have nothing bad to say about it. It's a 30 Grendel. The capacity is pretty much right between a ppc and br case and works on a ppc bolt face. Give me a call if you wanna know all the details on it. I've got reamers. Lapua brass is excellent, but hard to find right now. Dies are easy.
A picture of the bolt face would answer a lot of questions
wildcatter
Silver $$ Contributor
Sounds like a bigger pain in the backside every time you want to prep brass. One bolt your in for any cartridge, 20 BR, 22 BR, 6 BR, 30,BR, 6x47L, 6XC, etc etc.
A bench gun is just more than making brass for one gun, most guys want to experiment with more than one option like this guy is wanting to do. It hard enough to perfect brass for match use without making that process harder.
I'd add the new bolt myself. I always wondered why any related case died so quickly. The 284 being the only one that so few still play with????
butchlambert
Site $$ Sponsor
I see that you've never rebated brass.
wildcatter
Silver $$ Contributor
I've never seen anyone win a shortrange BR match in the past 30 years using cases manipulated in this manner?
wildcatter
Silver $$ Contributor
I have no need to, and would not add a process that is not necessary, I shoot better when I spend more time at the bench.
I just don't like adding uneseccary steps to perfect my cases. The less I have to to do tuning brass the happier I am. I just don't like making it more difficult than it needs to be. I don't even like the idea of another set procedure.
It's not an expense! It is an investment! In nearly 70 years I've found adding anything quality to my rifle, will pay for itself when and if I sell it, as long as we are talking about quality equipment.
But by all means, those that enjoy changing and manipulating cases, I understand. I just like keeping my case prep a simple as possible without giving up perfection
butchlambert
Site $$ Sponsor
Wow! You started 10 months before you were born!
butchlambert
Site $$ Sponsor
Have you heard of Red Cornelison?
I have rebated rims and it works if you have a lathe and Butch's cutter would be mandatory if I were gonna continue to go that route. My suggestion is to use a cartridge that fits the bolt or a bolt that fits the cartridge and not fool with rebating cases unless you absolutely have to.
wildcatter
Silver $$ Contributor
No but I've shot with some the best the NBRSA and IBS has to offer as well as the greatest to ever shoot BR, Tony Boyer, Fred Sinclair, Skip Otto, George Kelbly, Jack Neary, Bart Sauder, Larry Costas, Joe Krupa, Briar Hail, just a few hear in the east. But definitely enough,,,, as well as long enough to know this is not a method to success any one of them have ever used or recamended!
Try being reasonable, in nearly 70 years! This means less than. I'll make it easier to understand, "in all my life", ok. I'm glad to see one man was talented enough to make it work!
But I assure none of those men would refuse to do anything that didn't work better,,, they just found better ways to do what they do, most getting into the Hall of Fame doing it the simple way!
For the last time, I'd suggest buying a bolt or modifying it, before I wasted my time making it more time consuming prepping my brass.
It's really not a matter of or relevant to accuracy unless it "might" affect primer pocket life at top end loads and that's a maybe at best. I'm with ya but not for that reason. If I had to, I would do it but IMHO, there are better options. The biggest one is that not everyone has a lathe for brass prep. Even with one and the ability, I'd still say a different bolt or a different cartridge are better long term solutions. I'm not sure what it cost Butch, but a one off of that cutter won't be cheap most places. I'd guess at least a couple of hundred bucks to write the program and grind it. To anyone that goes that route...get extras.
It's not the fault of anyone or anything but me, but the ones I did eventually made their way into a bin of practice brass. MISTAKE! I still find a piece of that stuff mixed up with other brass after maybe 10 years or so. Not much difference to the eye, so I've found a couple the hard way...when sizing brass and it stuck better in the die than it did the shell holder for BR brass! That's reason enough for me! Lol! Otherwise, no biggie. It adds a step and a cost but I don't think it's an accuracy issue in the least bit.
Mark W
Gold $$ Contributor
Sent you a PM.
My local smith ground a cutting tool so that I could rebate BR cases to work with PPC chamberings. He also ground a cutting tool to modify Lapua Swede cases to fit a Rem 700 by widening the extraction groove.
I did 200 BR cases for a 30 BR myself. They work flawlessly-and I am no machinist.
Sure beat having Kelbly make me a new bolt for $500 +.
I did 200 BR cases for a 30 BR myself. They work flawlessly-and I am no machinist.
Sure beat having Kelbly make me a new bolt for $500 +.
butchlambert
Site $$ Sponsor
Well young feller, I'm not a wildcatter, but I can rebate a tremendous amount of brass in a very short time. Yes sir, I've shot with all of them and more, but that matters not. Oh, by the way, Red was in the first class in the BR Hall of Fame.
How much did you pay for your extra bolt?
But your used bolt is worth what... close to $400? Having both has value too.
I don't know what you paid or what you got for it but I do wonder how many more he wants to do for what you paid. Butch's was done right...with a wire edm but ya gotta write the program and tell it what to do. That time is money...about $100/hr in most shops nowadays. If he charges for even 1 hour plus machine time and materials, you're at close to $200 per.
Bottom line is, there are other options and several reasons to use those. The only reason to rebate rims is necessity.
AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
FWIW, Randy Robinett's original 30BR is on a Time Precision action with a PPC bolt face that has the BR case heads rebated. There's no 30BR on Planet Earth that has brought home more wins than that gun.
Randy ground his own rebating cutter that looks much like Butch's. I can't imagine the number of BR cases he's rebated!
Good shootin' -Al
Randy ground his own rebating cutter that looks much like Butch's. I can't imagine the number of BR cases he's rebated!
Good shootin' -Al
Last edited:
Upgrades & Donations
This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.
Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.
You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.
To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.