End Result of our Bore Cleaning Debates

[JEFFPPC]

This morning I was shooting air rifle at our local indoor range. We shooting upstairs. I came down the steps and the manager was talking to an individual. I saw a brand name bore cleaning agent on the counter, a broken down 1911, and some dirty patches. The manager , Jerry, introduced me to the sales rep and said to him as he introduced us," Sell him and I will buy some". Rep, a very pleasant man in his 50s who I found out was a retired Marine asked if I cleaned my guns and how. This lead into a discussion on carbon and copper. He proceed to tell me he could prove to me my guns are not clean. Ohhhhh, my game face is on.I said, " Wait here I live 5 minutes away." Back I come with my 6ppc and cleaning box. He hands me a patch saturated with his product and said give it 30 strokes. Ok. Bore guide in and 30 strokes later I handed him a totally clean patch. He shook his head and said, " Twelve and a half years of doing this, first clean gun ever." This is the short version. He was a nice man but ran into the wrong guy. He had never heard of Iosso. I have lots of experience in bore cleaning debates, lol. Chalk this one up for the Accurate Shooter guys.

 

[rwj]

Gotta ask… what was the name of “snake oil” he was selling?

 

[Bottom Fodder]

May I ask your procedure for using losso

 

[PatMiles]

Yeppers, Iosso does the trick each and every time for me.

 

[PatMiles]

Jeff will chime in here soon to give you his procedure if it's different than mine.
I use Iosso on VFG cleaning pellets. Make sure you use the VFG jag which has a tapered threaded mount for the pellet. As you are cleaning you can twist the cleaning rod clockwise which threads the pellet up the taper which expands it to cause a tighter fit in the bore.

 

[Flouncer]

Which Iosso ? Dang !!

https://iosso.com/products/gun-cleaning/

 

[JEFFPPC]

The man was a real gentleman, I will not throw him under the bus. He just ran into the wrong guy. I used one of his patches for 20 strokes on my 6BRX which had 35 rounds shot out of it at a 300 yard UBR match yesterday . I put Outers Foaming Bore Cleaner in it when I came home yesterday and left it sit all night. Ran a couple dry patches thru it this morning then put Hoppes/Kroil in it. His patch came out clean.It did smell ok, like BenGay. I usually figure 3 or 4 days for CLEAN.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Jeff will chime in here soon to give you his procedure if it's different than mine.
I use Iosso on VFG cleaning pellets. Make sure you use the VFG jag which has a tapered threaded mount for the pellet. As you are cleaning you can twist the cleaning rod clockwise which threads the pellet up the taper which expands it to cause a tighter fit in the bore.

Pat, I never tried pellets but they seem like a good idea. Wish I would have started off with your neck turning tool 25 years ago. I love it. Like going from a Yugo to a Cadillac.

 

[JEFFPPC]

Toothpaste version.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

Jeff will chime in here soon to give you his procedure if it's different than mine.
I use Iosso on VFG cleaning pellets. Make sure you use the VFG jag which has a tapered threaded mount for the pellet. As you are cleaning you can twist the cleaning rod clockwise which threads the pellet up the taper which expands it to cause a tighter fit in the bore.

So are you just pushing and twist the pellet, ever time try to backstroke with the pellets they come of of the thread jag

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

If you have a GOOD handle they don't twist off on the back stroke.

 

[Bill Norris]

My builder told me about the pellets a while back. They work really good but stay with the VFG brand and the proper VFG jag. Those "other" brands are not worth even mentioning here.

 

[JEFFPPC]

For years I have used Pro Shot patches and rods with good results. This year I also started using some Birchwood Casey woven patches that Mike Hagen showed me. I like them also and use a combination of the two. I do not believe there is only 1 way to clean a barrel properly. I do not believe you can do it in 20 min at the end of a match and be good to go in a manner that is conducive to a healthy barrel.

 

[Larry Koch]

I wish all you guys would switch to pelts, so pro shot patches would come down in price. The last time they $9.95 for 1000- 1 3/4" squares, I purchased 10 bags, I'm down to 2 bags, should last a good year or two.

 

[JEFFPPC]

I bought some a couple months ago. Best price I found was direct from Pro Shot. Cheaper than Amazon even with shipping by a fair amount.

 

[ARW]

I've been using the VFG felt pellets for years and can't seem to find them in 6mm now for some reason.

 

[Bill Norris]

I've been using the VFG felt pellets for years and can't seem to find them in 6mm now for some reason.

Only place I could find them was E-bay.

 

[ARW]

Only place I could find them was E-bay.

Thanks Bill for the tip.

 

[Bill Norris]

Thanks Bill for the tip.

U bet, Anytime Bro.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I like telling this story, because it is true and is a good Benchrest story.

back some years ago, we were at the NBRSA Group Nationals in Midland Tx.

We we’re getting ready to shoot the Sporter 100 the next morning. There we’re several of us gathered around just shooting the bull, and the subject of cleaning came up.

Everybody had a method, and swore by it. I told every body mine, bronze brush with butches, around 4 wet patches with Butches, let it soak while I reloaded, then patch it out and go to the line.

Everybody agreed that there was no way the barrel was clean. I simply said it was as clean as it needed to be for the Match in the morning.

well, Jerry Hensler just happened to have a bore scope. He looked in my barrel, and suggested I spend about two hours getting it clean. He started pointing out all sorts of “stuff” thst needed removing.

I said, no, it as ready to go.

well, long story short, I went out and shot a .168 agg with that “dirty barrel” and won the yardage.

I still use the exact same cleaning method.