FNSafari
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The key words are “some groups”. How about across a five target 25 shot agg timed with a moving backer?
How Accurate Are The Worlds Top PRS Shooters
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linebaugh
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Many PRS shooters have shot or do shoot multiple disciplines. I have seen bench guys do well in PRS and the other way around. Guys that can "run a gun" over multiple disciplines are just good shooters in general.
Someone commented on larger calibers in PRS. This is probably not the rule anymore as the BR variant cartridges in 6mm are the predominant chamberings.
Accuracy was brought up and I think you would be surprised to know most shooters would want to be under .5 MOA. My personal goal is always 1" at 250 yards. Do you need that??? Maybe not but there are some stages with very small targets and those are the points you cant give up if you want to win.
As with all shooting sports PRS has evolved a ton in the last 10 years and shooters are becoming better as well. Much of the loading and chamberings were borrowed from the benchrest crowd so we all work together to a degree. Typically anymore if you are dropping 5 points in a match you are probay out of first place. That could be for a 100 round match and lately two day matches. Its insane what the big boys can do. National level shooters are obviously the best of the best but even regional and club match shooters should not be looked down at as they can flat out whoop ass. IF round count and billfolds were all equal it would be a knife fight in a bathroom with 100's of top shooters.
Its probably a sport geared more for the younger bodies and eyes. I am for sure slipping the last couple years due to body and especially eye sight issues. It could just be that everyone else is getting better (it is, lol) but I can't stay in the top 10 anymore like I used to. I'm not ready for the pasture just yet and the PRS game is just good for fundamentals.
Its a tough sport to quit mostly because the shooters, give or take a couple, are tremendously good people. I loook forward to seeing my friends, new shooters and the next generation more than anything now and if it weren't for them I would probably not still be shooting.
No need to argue about what discipline has the best rounded shooters. All the sports have phenominal shooters that few of us could hope to become.
Video was great and I like seeing paper shot off of props. That's one of the things I like to tell people to do. It shows exatly what you are capable of and paper tells the story that steel just cant tell.
Keep shooting and keep growing all the sports. Who knows what the next 10 years will bring but lets do it while we can and enjoy each other and the disciplines we love.
Someone commented on larger calibers in PRS. This is probably not the rule anymore as the BR variant cartridges in 6mm are the predominant chamberings.
Accuracy was brought up and I think you would be surprised to know most shooters would want to be under .5 MOA. My personal goal is always 1" at 250 yards. Do you need that??? Maybe not but there are some stages with very small targets and those are the points you cant give up if you want to win.
As with all shooting sports PRS has evolved a ton in the last 10 years and shooters are becoming better as well. Much of the loading and chamberings were borrowed from the benchrest crowd so we all work together to a degree. Typically anymore if you are dropping 5 points in a match you are probay out of first place. That could be for a 100 round match and lately two day matches. Its insane what the big boys can do. National level shooters are obviously the best of the best but even regional and club match shooters should not be looked down at as they can flat out whoop ass. IF round count and billfolds were all equal it would be a knife fight in a bathroom with 100's of top shooters.
Its probably a sport geared more for the younger bodies and eyes. I am for sure slipping the last couple years due to body and especially eye sight issues. It could just be that everyone else is getting better (it is, lol) but I can't stay in the top 10 anymore like I used to. I'm not ready for the pasture just yet and the PRS game is just good for fundamentals.
Its a tough sport to quit mostly because the shooters, give or take a couple, are tremendously good people. I loook forward to seeing my friends, new shooters and the next generation more than anything now and if it weren't for them I would probably not still be shooting.
No need to argue about what discipline has the best rounded shooters. All the sports have phenominal shooters that few of us could hope to become.
Video was great and I like seeing paper shot off of props. That's one of the things I like to tell people to do. It shows exatly what you are capable of and paper tells the story that steel just cant tell.
Keep shooting and keep growing all the sports. Who knows what the next 10 years will bring but lets do it while we can and enjoy each other and the disciplines we love.
xswanted
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Most of the top shooters in PRS are shooting a 6BR derivative. Dasher is probably the most popular along with the 6BRA and the 6BR.
The 6GT is also gaining some traction, which was developed by a BR shooter.
Make no mistake, the guns used in PRS can and often do shoot much better than your listed accuracy range. A rifle built for PRS by a top tier smith would be competitive in long range BR. It would most likely have to get a different stock however.
However……..many of the guys shooting PRS search for accuracy beyond a reasonable level. They will look for BR type accuracy and in the game of PRS it’s simply not going to be needed as often times the gun isn’t stable enough to use that accuracy.
xswanted
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I think you’re on to something with this.
I think though from a standpoint of handling and shooting a rifle from strictly an accuracy standpoint F class and BR shooters are better marksmen.
I think PRS shooters adapt to things faster.
Given you scenarios I believe a top level PRS shooter would have success sooner going over to BR than a BR competitor would be moving to PRS.
Both would need to become students of the respective games to be competitive.
xswanted
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I shot quite a bit of F Class prior to moving into the PRS world.
From a standpoint of learning how to handle a rifle in order to shoot it more accurately, fclass is by far more educating as you have instant feedback for each shot.
I know I learned much more about my rifle shooting F class than PRS.
PRS is fun and challenging though. It provides a change of pace from standard bullseye stuff and you get to shoot a lot.
Give the rimfire version a try, it’s even more fun!
From a standpoint of learning how to handle a rifle in order to shoot it more accurately, fclass is by far more educating as you have instant feedback for each shot.
I know I learned much more about my rifle shooting F class than PRS.
PRS is fun and challenging though. It provides a change of pace from standard bullseye stuff and you get to shoot a lot.
Give the rimfire version a try, it’s even more fun!
moondog
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I shoot some local PRS matches from time to time. At 69, I can't compete with the younger crowd or the ones who practice shooting off barricades, bags of beach balls, tank traps tires etc, etc. I usually shoot whatever rifle has the most rounds or getting close to needing a new barrel. I believe my rifles are more accurate than most, but, I'm RARELY top 10. I admire the guys that can build a position, or 6 and get 10 shots off in 90 seconds.Very talented group. I do it because they're mostly a fun bunch of guys. Could I get better at it if I practiced? Sure. Will I?, No.
I agree with XS, the 22 PRS is fun!
I agree with XS, the 22 PRS is fun!
PRS is about accuracy.....BR is about precision!!
RegionRat
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Let's add a little decoration to that statement...
BR is about state of the art precision but also accuracy when shot for score.
PRS is about steel plate accuracy while under time stress, from awkward field positions, at irregular distances.
Silhouette and Bullseye is about Zen... and sling and XTC shooters, well we are just into self abuse.... LOL
ETA: and long live The Wooden Guns games too....
BR is about state of the art precision but also accuracy when shot for score.
PRS is about steel plate accuracy while under time stress, from awkward field positions, at irregular distances.
Silhouette and Bullseye is about Zen... and sling and XTC shooters, well we are just into self abuse.... LOL
ETA: and long live The Wooden Guns games too....
PRS is about practical precision, and is a more relevant to real world scenarios....hunting, sniping, etc.
jackieschmidt
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Benchrest Score, as in Varmint for Score, is more about accuracy.
Of course, all that means is you have to take a rifle with the precision potential of a Group Rifle and actually hit the center of the target.
I really wish I was younger. I think the PRS Format is a great exhibition of everything involved in extreme accuracy shooting, starting with the rifle, the ammunition, and finally the shooter.
I attended a few PRS matches and built a rifle capable of being competitive. (I think) I decided against trying to compete because at my age and physical ability I wouldn't hold up to the activity involved and still be competitive. It's fun and I met a young police officer competing that was helpful explaining some of the stations. Like any other discipline you find all sorts of equipment. Like BR you have to be able to read conditions and have equipment capable of accuracy, just not the extreme accuracy BR competitors strive for. 1 MOA or less and a scope capable of accurate RTZ. The rest is skill and endurance. Brass is another issue with me. I covet my brass and darned if I'll just walk off and leave it laying after a long match. They do. You can go back and pick up brass if you want after the match but good luck finding yours.
I am all for as many shooting competitions as can be imagined and as many people getting into the sport as we can encourage. Having fun and meeting great people is what it's all about.
I am all for as many shooting competitions as can be imagined and as many people getting into the sport as we can encourage. Having fun and meeting great people is what it's all about.
In the very early days of PRS, before it was even called PRS, a friend of mine won a fairly high level match, mostly attended by various SWAT members, with a Model 70 308 sporter. That ain't happenin' today! I think it would be a fun sport, but slightly spendy. They need a geriatric classification for the more mature shooter. WH
Me thinks you have it backwards, Shooter first then rifle and finally ammo.
I’m betting on you. I see pretty often the younger McDonald’s generation sucking air when I’m working with them sometimes, but then on bad days it might be me too.
jackieschmidt
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I tend to look at things from a Short Range Group and Score Shooters perspective.
With us, it all starts with the Rifle. You can never be any better than the rifle you Are shooting.
xswanted
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Another comment,
One thing no one has mentioned here is the mental game it takes to be competitive in these matches.
These matches are a chess game in mental awareness and your ability to execute your plan under pressure if the clock.
I shot a large NRL22x match earlier this year and the stages were very difficult mentally. Odd orders of targets coupled with extreme range changes in many of them alongside heavy movement.
I’ve never been physically tired at the end of any of the many matches I’ve been to, but I have been mentally exhausted to the point of it being hard to talk with anyone.
To me that’s the most challenging part, keeping your mental game together over the course of a 5-8 hour match.
One thing no one has mentioned here is the mental game it takes to be competitive in these matches.
These matches are a chess game in mental awareness and your ability to execute your plan under pressure if the clock.
I shot a large NRL22x match earlier this year and the stages were very difficult mentally. Odd orders of targets coupled with extreme range changes in many of them alongside heavy movement.
I’ve never been physically tired at the end of any of the many matches I’ve been to, but I have been mentally exhausted to the point of it being hard to talk with anyone.
To me that’s the most challenging part, keeping your mental game together over the course of a 5-8 hour match.
Keith Glasscock
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It's a symbiotic relationship. Your rifle can't shoot any smaller than you can either...
World-class shooter + crappy rifle = Losing
Low skilled shooter + world-class rifle = Losing
World-class shooter + world-class rifle = Winning!
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