Jan 2023 NRA Highpower RuleBook

[Terry]

Here a new F-open rule.
(9) F-Open Front Rest Bags - The fore-end of the rifle must rest upon and/or be guided by the front bag(s) described elsewhere in this section. The rifle may not be supported or guided during recoil by rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical device.

Rodzilla?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Rodzilla?

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[dcali]

Look like my Rodzilla with roller side ears is now illegal...cool... I wonder if a solid block of Delrin is permitted. Also does this make the self leveling rotating bags under the gun also illegal as they are a mechanical device (if this is defined as having parts that move while working) ?

These were never legal - this just clarifies the rule that bags are required.

 

[dcali]

That's a great question. Better one - Is my "mechanical device" coaxial front rest (joystick) still legal? It supports the rifle...

This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I would say no. Similarly, I think joy pods have aways been illegal in TR because they're not rigidly attached to the rifle.

 

[Jdne5b]

This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I would say no. Similarly, I think joy pods have aways been illegal in TR because they're not rigidly attached to the rifle.

The attachment point is rigid. Just like all the other rail mounted bipods.

 

[Fuj]

So any rifle scopes with an internal electronic level would be
disallowed ?? There are a few out there. Did not Leupold have
some sort of level flasher ?? I guess rules are rules.

 

[dcali]

The attachment point is rigid. Just like all the other rail mounted bipods.

But how would you attach it non-rigidly? Like with rubber bands? That seems like a silly thing to write a rule about. The *feet* are not rigidly attached to the rifle. It seems clear to me that the intention is to stop people from putting mechanisms on their bipods. I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think they had joy pods in mind when they came up with TR.

 

[sfinn1]

Oh, just to throw some hot sauce into the soup. Would the fore end stop on F Open front rest be an illegal positive stop? Always wondered about that one from when I started shooting F Class. "Just Saying"

Positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted.

 

[dcali]

Oh, just to throw some hot sauce into the soup. Would the fore end stop on F Open front rest be an illegal positive stop? Always wondered about that one from when I started shooting F Class. "Just Saying"

Positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted.

I believe so, but nobody agrees with me.

 

[memilanuk]

Deeming something illegal that's been in common use for 15+ years might be a tough sell...

 

[dcali]

Deeming something illegal that's been in common use for 15+ years might be a tough sell...

Indeed. Rather than arbitrarily nitpicking the specifics of what a rest or bag is, maybe they could think about ways to marry up F Class and benchrest rules to make the equipment more compatible.

 

[Steve Blair]

Indeed. Rather than arbitrarily nitpicking the specifics of what a rest or bag is, maybe they could think about ways to marry up F Class and benchrest rules to make the equipment more compatible.

With all due respect, Damon, that is a non-starter. We will not see seventeen pound guns with muzzle brakes in F-Class.

 

[sdean]

But how would you attach it non-rigidly? Like with rubber bands? That seems like a silly thing to write a rule about. The *feet* are not rigidly attached to the rifle. It seems clear to me that the intention is to stop people from putting mechanisms on their bipods. I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think they had joy pods in mind when they came up with TR.

There are many things that weren't "in mind" when they started Fclass.
As long as everyone shoots with same rules I'm still gonna show up.

 

[kzin]

But how would you attach it non-rigidly? Like with rubber bands? That seems like a silly thing to write a rule about. The *feet* are not rigidly attached to the rifle. It seems clear to me that the intention is to stop people from putting mechanisms on their bipods. I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't think they had joy pods in mind when they came up with TR.

The rule specifically allows for adjustability and thus mechanisms.
I think the attachment clause is simply making the point that bipods are attached, period.

Imagine somebody coming out with a 50lb rest that sits on 2 6" by 18" 'feet' and claiming that it's a tr legal 'bi'pod because it's got two legs. And it doesn't count in rifle weight because it's not attached.

Non rigidly attached might be attached with a sliding mechanism. Rifle recoils on a rail while the bipod stays stationary.

 

[Steve Blair]

Non rigidly attached might be attached with a sliding mechanism. Rifle recoils on a rail while the bipod stays stationary.

This is exactly the intent.

 

[Ned Ludd]

I believe so, but nobody agrees with me.

I do. Some of the gizmos and doodads on setups that are being paraded as "F-TR rifles" are ludicrous, even laughable. Pretty sure none of of that sh*t was anything Mr. Farquharson had in mind.

 

[Steve Blair]

I do. Some of the gizmos and doodads on setups that are being paraded as "F-TR rifles" are ludicrous, even laughable. Pretty sure none of of that sh*t was anything Mr. Farquharson had in mind.

 

[Ned Ludd]

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That's an old picture. This one is more current. At least people that haven't seen me in a while still recognize me.

 

[dcali]

The rule specifically allows for adjustability and thus mechanisms.
I think the attachment clause is simply making the point that bipods are attached, period.

Imagine somebody coming out with a 50lb rest that sits on 2 6" by 18" 'feet' and claiming that it's a tr legal 'bi'pod because it's got two legs. And it doesn't count in rifle weight because it's not attached.

Non rigidly attached might be attached with a sliding mechanism. Rifle recoils on a rail while the bipod stays stationary.

I'm not sure I think sliding is any different than rotating. Neither is rigid. All they have to do is leave out the word "rigidly" if they don't mean it. If they only meant sliding, they should have written that. Sliding isn't an advantage, but rotating sure as heck is.


The rest/bipod rules are really bad, to be honest. I don't personally care so much. I just put a bipod on it and shoot, but I'll admit I'd prefer if we all used harris bipods and 155s.

 

[dcali]

With all due respect, Damon, that is a non-starter. We will not see seventeen pound guns with muzzle brakes in F-Class.

Agreed, nobody's going to marry them up completely. But a little effort would be nice. Just change the 3" width to 4", and you've instantly legalized everyone with a Wheeler stock on their BR rifle. Up the weight limit on benchrest to 18 pounds (or so - whatever they'll tolerate) to equalize the weight a bit and reduce the need for brakes. You could get closer without totally jacking it all up.