Eric Cortina and Hornady

[Gman]

No, it's not the same. Wyoming if fortunate that it has no large urban areas filled with spineless sheep. If you travel in California's small towns and rural areas, there are lots of good folks who despise what happens in Sacramento. Nevada is an excellent example of a very conservative state that is dominated by Clark County, Las Vegas. This is true in more than a few states.

Pennsylvania is a perfect example of this statement above. Philly, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes Barre, Allentown, Harrisburg, Erie & Center County (State College) are the "Blue" areas in the commonwealth, which have the largest population. For the most part, the rest of PA votes "Red".

 

[Fuj]

Pennsylvania is a perfect example of this statement above. Philly, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes Barre, Allentown, Harrisburg, Erie & Center County (State College) are the "Blue" areas in the commonwealth, which have the largest population. For the most part, the rest of PA votes "Red".

Were not quite blue up in Erie. More like a purple. The city itself is blue,
but Erie county is red. The county has a large population.

I think we all strayed, so back to the original purpose.....

I'm personally not a follower of Eric Cortina, but do wish him well in
his chosen endeavors. I do think there is a rub between his shooting
game and bench rest crowd. With that said, I think he should do a
Tack Driver. Might give him a better understanding when interviewing
someone. I did watch the videos of him with Bart Sauter, and Jack
Neary. A lot of the conversation seemed off on his end.

 

[rijndael]

I do think there is a rub between his shooting
game and bench rest crowd.

Which is ironic because F Class is 'belly benchrest'

 

[Gman]

Were not quite blue up in Erie. More like a purple. The city itself is blue,
but Erie county is red. The county has a large population.

I think we all strayed, so back to the original purpose.....

I'm personally not a follower of Eric Cortina, but do wish him well in
his chosen endeavors. I do think there is a rub between his shooting
game and bench rest crowd. With that said, I think he should do a
Tack Driver. Might give him a better understanding when interviewing
someone. I did watch the videos of him with Bart Sauter, and Jack
Neary. A lot of the conversation seemed off on his end.

I was referring to all cities, except Center County in which State College resides. But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Erie County vote Blue in the 2020 Presidential Election?

 

[Fuj]

I was referring to all cities, except Center County in which State College resides. But correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Erie County vote Blue in the 2020 Presidential Election?

Yes they did but here's the rub.....Erie voted for Trump in the 2016
elections. A lot of it was mainly of the unions up here and we make
the Locomotives. It was seen as a threat of the old GE plant closing
down, and Trump was'nt going to let that happen. Well he won with
all the labor support up here during that time frame. Problem was, he
then turned tail. Unions don't forget thing's. In 2020 he lost all support.
from the trades. Erie has a very strong manufacturing base, hard working
blue collar, and largest voters base.

 

[K22]

California is a state, like several others, politically dominated by large urban centers. There are likely more conservatives in California than Pennsylvania's total population.

Yes, perhaps I didn't choose the best analogy to make a point. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are not exactly bastions of conservatism.

 

[Jud96]

Erik is a personality, there is no question about that!

I'm not trying to be Erik. I would rather quit shooting than engage in the ambush interview tactics that Erik uses. Ever notice that I always wave him off?

Far too many people concentrate on the weird reloading stuff that top 10 shooter swear by. Honestly, we all do things that look suspiciously like superstition. The simpler I make my system, the easier it is for me to shoot the scores necessary to obtain those shiny neck weights.

For me, I have really cut back on the amount of YouTube content I'm making. Instead, I am focusing on my Patrons. They are the ones that make it possible to run tests, and make videos. You would be shocked at the expense doing such things entails. It just isn't worth it to put information out for free in many cases and deal with the endless trolls that pop up.

You have to remember what YouTube is at its core: An advertising platform. Have you noticed that everyone is trying to get you to buy stuff? Either stuff they make, or stuff they have a deal with the seller on? Even I'm selling something - my time answering questions, having Zoom meetings with individual Patrons, and the like.

I had thought about doing podcasts, but decided against that for a variety of reasons, not least of which is the fact that I can't bring myself to sit and watch anyone else's podcasts...

Back on subject:

Making videos and learning stuff for my team and patrons has netted me a lot of information that I would have not found otherwise. For example, I shot a very large sample for chronograph data while doing some large samples on tuning and group size. Oddly enough, there is a normal distribution of group sizes when you put over 100 rounds into the berm. If I take a standard deviation from those group sizes, I see that there is the likelihood of having an exceptionally large group and an exceptionally small one as well, over the life of the barrel.

On the other hand, I also wonder a bit about using group size at all for determining the precision of a rifle. Some other measurements show promise as better means of determining our likely outcomes from shooting very large samples (like an entire barrel worth).

What do you mean by saying Erik uses ambush tactics? And when do you wave him off? I’m a subscriber to both you and Erik’s patreon/forum and I value you both equally. Just saying that because I’m not biased.

 

[K22]

Pennsylvania is a perfect example of this statement above. Philly, Pittsburgh, Scranton/Wilkes Barre, Allentown, Harrisburg, Erie & Center County (State College) are the "Blue" areas in the commonwealth, which have the largest population. For the most part, the rest of PA votes "Red".

It appears I opened a "can of worms" or the "toothpaste is out of the tube".

 

[David Milisock]

For me, knowledge is Free. Free to dispense and Free to acquire.
I never monetized Knowledge. I hope, I will never have to do so for the rest of my life.

Live FREE or die.

No.

 

[Gman]

Yes they did but here's the rub.....Erie voted for Trump in the 2016
elections. A lot of it was mainly of the unions up here and we make
the Locomotives. It was seen as a threat of the old GE plant closing
down, and Trump was'nt going to let that happen. Well he won with
all the labor support up here during that time frame. Problem was, he
then turned tail. Unions don't forget thing's. In 2020 he lost all support.
from the trades. Erie has a very strong manufacturing base, hard working
blue collar, and largest voters base.

Thank You for giving the details. I didn't know that Trump turned tails.

 

[Beiruty]

No.

I could have been a Professor at any top-ranked University and get paid for a living teaching. Author few books and get paid handsomely. However, I preferred the Industry side of my career.

Shooting is a hobby of mine, my shooting buddies are also the same. We are not Pro shooter living out of sponsorship or ads, YouTube likes. I have a free YouTube channel and private FB page that anyone who knows me can join with just a click, a request to join.

If I share my knowledge of shooting for free, it is a pleasure to pass it along. If I help with GRT sims to develop loads for others in my spare time, so be it. I would not ask $50 per sim fee, like those who bought the QuickLoad and wanted to make a business.

I coach my buddies and their kids in their first step of shooting for free. Furthermore, I even took my friend's son to his first IPSC match and provided everything, comp pistol, gear, and ammo too.

If you can pass it along, just do it. To protect the 2ndA, we need more shooters and gun loving folks


Share the knowledge:

https://www.youtube.com/@YERAFirearms

 

[David Milisock]

I could have been a Professor at any top-ranked University and get paid for a living teaching. Author few books and get paid handsomely. However, I preferred the Industry side of my career.

Shooting is a hobby of mine, my shooting buddies are also the same. We are not Pro shooter living out of sponsorship or ads, YouTube likes. I have a free YouTube channel and private FB page that anyone who knows me can join with just a click, a request to join.

If I share my knowledge of shooting for free, it is a pleasure to pass it along. If I help with GRT sims to develop loads for others in my spare time, so be it. I would not ask $50 per sim fee, like those who bought the QuickLoad and wanted to make a business.

I coach my buddies and their kids in their first step of shooting for free. Furthermore, I even took my friend's son to his first IPSC match and provided everything, comp pistol, gear, and ammo too.

If you can pass it along, just do it. To protect the 2ndA, we need more shooters and gun loving folks

Everything costs something, good information requires your work, bad information can cost you in many ways . There is no free anything!

 

[Field_2_Fork]

It’s a very awesome forum.

Is there any BR content there or is it F-Class content?

 

[Bill Norris]

What do you mean by saying Erik uses ambush tactics? And when do you wave him off? I’m a subscriber to both you and Erik’s patreon/forum and I value you both equally. Just saying that because I’m not biased.

He is referring to the method Erik uses when he is asking certain questions from fellow shooters at matches.
A poor labeling by a long stretch.

 

[J.d. Popkes]

Is there any BR content there or is it F-Class content?

Interviews with BR guys, but mostly f-class and some PRS. My credit card expired and I didn’t get my new one on there so I haven’t been on there for a while. For what I like to do I think his approach to tuning makes sense. It’s pretty cool. Not taking anything away from this forum.

 

[Beiruty]

Everything costs something, good information requires your work, bad information can cost you in many ways . There is no free anything!

I agree.

There are some who can
1) Volunteer their time to help the community, or
2) Donate for the cause, or
3) Promote the hobby and passion, or
4) Share the knowledge and pass it along, or
5) Do all the above

On the other hand, sharing garbage fake knowledge, is the like an idiot teaching a stupid how to build a time machine.

 

[Jeff Porter]

My observations regarding Erik's responses to the Hornady podcast as well as Brian Litz tuner comments is that Erik uses "I believe" and "I feel" and "I think" to justify his opinions. Hornady and Litz were speaking on specific instances using statistical analysis that is narrowly defined, not broad stroke generalities.

Hornady comments were clarified and it showed that using small samples on a process that is known to produce repeatable results with known variables is not the same as starting from a blank page. Those 3-5 shot groups are actually the latest additions to the knowledge base you have from past load work.

They also clarified that based upon their data of thousands of shots, the general pattern of group size extreme spread willl follow a Bell curve, normal distibution and the mathematical ratios that are know for this will be observed in group sizes. The larger the group ES and SD of the sample and the smaller the sample, the larger the range of possibilities in the 95% confidence range. All they were saying is one small group is not indicative of the long term performance of a load. A large group is not a good thing as it will not get any smaller but one group may also be at the max size of the distribution and should be verified before totally discarding that load.

 

[rijndael]

Erik uses "I believe" and "I feel" and "I think" to justify his opinions.

It's not to "justify his opinions", it's to explain his experiences and methods that have led to success. He's not a statistician, so it's not easy to debate one. You can't say something like: You're misapplying some statistical principle X because Y is doesn't apply here". He can say ... I've done this particular method and it's repeatable.

 

[Bat Rastard]

The debate over technical substance of his video is way over my comprehension and abilities.

His video giving money to homeless people moved and inspired me.

I have never met the man, but I am glad to know he is out there.

 

[davidjoe]

I have a very soft spot in my heart for Hornady, but I didn’t love the sample size pod cast, at all.

Accompanying tunnel-shot target data and groups are relied upon by militaries, agencies and individuals for specification compliance from velocity to SD/ES to group size, for accuracy guaranteed rifles. Several shots only, is the standard.

We would not accept the idea that chamber pressure must statistically vary markedly and inherently, ascertainable on a large sample only “bell curve”, with deviation in the multiples, as asserted for group size, but the same rationale could be applied.

Obviously, it is certain that no percentage, no matter how small, of properly loaded rounds statistically must generate 2 or 3 times the expected chamber pressure, nor three or eight percent of it, as a bell curve would dictate, and ammo makers will not disagree with this.

It’s an inverted “U” and cliffs, not really a bell curve, on either side of a very tight nominal figure, (mechanically and physically controllable and setting real limits) for all of these values like pressure, V, and ES, and group, and if this is true of pressure, it’s true of derivatives of pressure. Not everything is distributable under a bell curve; limits are real, there are 0 holes ever drilled, having a diameter smaller than the bit.