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SuperTrickler

If memory serves, a long time back in a similar discussion Jackie mentioned that he turned down the diameters of those rams by .006 to promote better centering of cases in dies. If you are running things tight, everything must be perfect or you are holding the case off center to the die. One thing that I have not seen is any investigation of how well the interiors of threaded dies are aligned with their threads. On the other hand a friend did "blueprint" some split type lockrings. All of them showed some wobble when checked on his lathe. I know of a smith who has bored out and bushed the main castings of presses to correct misalignment of their rams with their die threads. I seem to remember that he has run across presses that were off by as much as .025.
 
Maybe I am missing something here but do you guys have some jig that I don't know about that assures you that the case is in perfect alignment to the die as you set it in the shell holder? Or does the case have a little play so it can slide around a little and self align as it enters the die?
 
Maybe I am missing something here but do you guys have some jig that I don't know about that assures you that the case is in perfect alignment to the die as you set it in the shell holder? Or does the case have a little play so it can slide around a little and self align as it enters the die?
Years ago, I decided that the dies do the work. All the press does is furnish the horsepower to get the case in and out of the die.

Plus, I do not rely on the press linkage to determine where things stop. In All of what you see in that picture, the positive stop of the shell holder firmly contacting the bottom of the die determines the exact shoulder bump and bullet seating depth.

Figuring out this takes a little thought and effort. Once I get every thing right, I take great pains to insure that every one of my chambers for that cartridge are identicle.
 
Years ago, I decided that the dies do the work. All the press does is furnish the horsepower to get the case in and out of the die.

Plus, I do not rely on the press linkage to determine where things stop. In All of what you see in that picture, the positive stop of the shell holder firmly contacting the bottom of the die determines the exact shoulder bump and bullet seating depth.

Figuring out this takes a little thought and effort. Once I get every thing right, I take great pains to insure that every one of my chambers for that cartridge are identicle.
yep, I totally 100% agree. I just like to poke a bit at the guys who worry about "slop " in the press ram. If there wasn't some play somewhere for the case to self align to the sizing die the process would not work. For a convention press it is in the shellholder, for the coax's it is the dieholder
 
Plus, I do not rely on the press linkage to determine where things stop. In All of what you see in that picture, the positive stop of the shell holder firmly contacting the bottom of the die determines the exact shoulder bump and bullet seating depth.
Ok. This is worth exploring. So have you found that it is better to have the hard stop with the die hitting the shellholder than it is to let the press size over?

Also, do press threads and die threads necessarily thread the die going 90 degrees or square down to the shellholder? I ask this because in some presses or with some dies, it seems as though the cases are not sized equally around the .200 line.
 
Ok. This is worth exploring. So have you found that it is better to have the hard stop with the die hitting the shellholder than it is to let the press size over?

Also, do press threads and die threads necessarily thread the die going 90 degrees or square down to the shellholder? I ask this because in some presses or with some dies, it seems as though the cases are not sized equally around the .200 line.
Presses have spring and give, some a lot more than others. This can cause variation is shoulder bump with the same die setting. The whole rationale behind the Redding Competition shell holder sets is to give reloaders a way to get their preferred amount of bump and at the same time have contact between the shell holder and the die, to do away with variations in bump that come from differences in press spring from case to case. I would guess that the Partner presses that Jackie uses have quite a bit of spring, which would make having shell holder to die contact more important. Not all bump inconsistency comes from this. I have seen the problem solved by annealing, because the factory annealing was not uniform from case to case.
 
It looks pretty awesome, F-class John posted again an update that they are having him test after his sorting videos. I have a Super Trickler on order, and also had a v4 just arrive. Amazing machines.
 
The SuperTrickler designers won’t necessarily be doing a V2 and V3, like the AutoTrickler did. The machines are made for expansion, or modification for future changes. With the release of the 2nd version of its software most of the issue that were found by the first several hundred users have been addressed. More issues will of course pop up, but they seem to be able to be addressed through software changes, or the unit is designed such that hardware changes can be made by the user, if required. It has setting to replace and reseat new or different drop tubes, if required. It really seems to be very well though out. Another very important item to users in the US, the manufacturer has set up repair or service centers in the US, should a repair be required. It will not have to be shipped to a foreign country for repair.

Users are 3D printing all sorts of accessories for it, that makes using it even easier. Really nice thing is, the users who are developing these printed accessories, are sharing the 3D files on the users forum, for anyone to use. It has become that type of community among the users.

Just the other day the developers added a weight sorting feature to the machine. It will within a second or two weigh a piece of brass, bullet, or whatever, then log the weight for you. It will then provide you with the weight sorted data, kind of like an excel spreadsheet. They are developing the machine to be a reloading system, not just a powder dispenser. There is an accessory in development for the SuperTricker, that will go with it, to automatically drop powder in, I believe it is, 200 cases. You fill the table top device with cases and it will, on its own, drop powder into each one of the cases from the SuperTrickler. If an overthrow occurs. this machine dumps it to a waste area, then goes back for another drop. It is really amazing. There is a video of this machine in operation, it is not just something on paper, it’s real and operational. Also, with the press of a button and a few inputs, the machine will calculate and drop powder for ladder testing. You tell it what you want your total spread to be, spread between each drop, how many drops per each increment and the unit will calculate the drops and then drop the right amounts of powder for you. Then it stores all your data for you for future use or review.

Other thing is, the machine’s developers and testers are extremely responsive to issues, or questions posted on the forums. In most cases, a user can expect a response from a developer to an issue or a question, within an hour, or less. What amazes me, is that the responses almost seem to come 24 hours a day. Don’t know how that can be, but it is happening.

I don’t work for them, but I do have one on order, that will be here soon. They are shipping about 40 or so machines a week and are really moving through orders very fast. Something that clearly has never occurred with the other automatic trickler. Not knocking the other machine, but the wait is painfully slow for it. I placed an order for my SuperTrickler in mid October and it should be here in about two weeks. That is not really a real long wait time. I was going to sell the machine when I received it because I was very concerned that it would be over my head technologically. I’m 70 and not a computer genius by any means. However, with the responsiveness of the developers and the community of users, I’m not that worried about it any more and will likely keep the machine now. It just really is a cool thing and in my opinion (which not even my wife seems to care about much) is leaps and bounds over anything else out there.
 
@Timon Wow! nice post. Lots of good info.

Seems like competition really is good for the market. Who knows with the release of the AndiscanII and Bulletseeker Labradar may finally be inspired to get their bluetooth to work reliably
 
Any way it Can be used with a sartorius?
This seems to be a very common question that I have seen. Unfortunately, they only go with the A&D scales. It’s a couple of them I believe, but not many. I know the developers have been asked this question a lot, but they have never really said if it’s something in the future or not.
 
@Timon Wow! nice post. Lots of good info.

Seems like competition really is good for the market. Who knows with the release of the AndiscanII and Bulletseeker Labradar may finally be inspired to get their bluetooth to work reliably
I’ve been looking at the Bulletseeker. When you calculate the price, euros to dollars, then add on their VAT, which is like 23%, I think, it really gets expensive, quick. In the big scheme of things, in the reloading world, it’s not terrible, but a whole lot more than the Labradar.
 
I’ve been looking at the Bulletseeker. When you calculate the price, euros to dollars, then add on their VAT, which is like 23%, I think, it really gets expensive, quick. In the big scheme of things, in the reloading world, it’s not terrible, but a whole lot more than the Labradar.
Still too expensive for the value provided imho. I have a bad case of "good enough" syndrome. For me it's not the money per say but the "value added" for the money type thing

I had pre orders in for both the Andiscan and the V4 Autotrickler but canceled on both when my "Do I really need this ?" kicked in. Both are great products I am sure but other than the brag factor would either really help me get smaller groups on paper?

Same with this product, I was just over at their web page but could not force myself to click the buy button. The powder process I use now is plenty fast enough and just as accurate.
 
Still too expensive for the value provided imho. I have a bad case of "good enough" syndrome. For me it's not the money per say but the "value added" for the money type thing

I had pre orders in for both the Andiscan and the V4 Autotrickler but canceled on both when my "Do I really need this ?" kicked in. Both are great products I am sure but other than the brag factor would either really help me get smaller groups on paper?

Same with this product, I was just over at their web page but could not force myself to click the buy button. The powder process I use now is plenty fast enough and just as
No but they are working to make it compatible with the A&D HR scale which is on par with the Sartorius.
Thanks for chiming in John. What I know about the thing can fit on a pin head, compared to your knowledge of it. I just know all the hard work everyone is putting in on it and hate to see people sort of knocking it without really reading all the facts about it. I have to admit, the technology involved in the thing scares me, but there just seems to be so much help out there with it.
 
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I just know all the hard work everyone is putting in on it and hate to see people bashing it without really reading all the facts about it. I have to admit, the technology involved in the thing scares me, but there just seems to be so much help out there with it.
Oh no bashing from me, I am quite sure it is an excellent product and love some of the innovations you mentioned in your first post. There may be one on my bench if my old RCBS 1500 ever decides to kick the bucket
 
Thanks for chiming in John. What I know about the thing can fit on a pin head, compared to your knowledge of it. I just know all the hard work everyone is putting in on it and hate to see people bashing it without really reading all the facts about it. I have to admit, the technology involved in the thing scares me, but there just seems to be so much help out there with it.
I just know all the hard work everyone is putting in on it and hate to see people bashing it without really reading all the facts about it. I have to admit, the technology involved in the thing scares me, but there just seems to be so much help out there with it.

I wasn't bashing it, I just wanted to understand if I have a v4, why do i need a Super trickler? I waited for several years to jump, and now there are 2 outstanding powder dispensers on the market. I'm glad there are new and innovative tools coming out for reloaders, which seems like have been stagnate for years.

Thanks for all the good information on the Super Trickler.
 

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