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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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Just a small programming “glitch”:eek:!
And the above is the money quote.

I don't believe that there is any way humanly possible for even the very best programmer in the Universe to anticipate all the stupid crap that people do either behind the wheel, or along side the road, or anywhere else and incorporate that into an auto drive vehicles programming.

We, as thinking people, consciously or subconsciously, are continually evaluating the situation(s) unfolding around us and working out alternatives to avoid disaster -we also don't have to call up subroutines of subroutines to do that.

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I get the drift here that the general consensus is to hold AV's to standards humans have not, do not, and could not attain. At this point in development we can eliminate a few things that cause many accidents. The AV will not drive drunk, it will not text message, it will not eat or fall asleep while driving.

Features such as auto pilot and super cruise will be easing people into accepting AV's, some day .
 
A strong clue might be that corporations are run by human beings, and all that implies.
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Smart humans with high aspirations throwing money out the window: It happens all the time. I don't fault them for trying, but money still runs up against the laws of physics and economics.

From SeekingAlpha this morning:

It's the end of the line for Kittyhawk, the secretive flying car company that has been bankrolled by Google co-founder Larry Page. It's not clear what caused the startup's demise, but reports over the past few years suggested executive infighting over direction, as well as technical issues, safety problems and unresolved questions about the practical use of its battery-powered aircraft. "We're still working on the details of what's next," the company wrote in a LinkedIn blog post, dashing dreams of a future where users can hail flying taxis like an Uber. ... what caught investors' eyes was its flying taxi partnership with Boeing

... Besides developing the technology to enable flying taxis, there are other big challenges that will need to be solved before the industry can take flight. Among them are integrating eVTOL systems into existing air-traffic control and finding enough places for the aircraft to take off and land (vertiports?). "These locations have to be nearby, where the nodes of traffic exist ...".


Er, among them also are: a) overcoming the severe range limitations of batteries in the flight regime, and b) that battery-powered aircraft will have to earn the flying public's trust, as conventional fossil-fueled aircraft have, to be economically viable.
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Fair enough. Do you personally feel we will never have AV's ? I think we will, some day.
Never say "never". But our elected officials and un-elected administrators should stop mandating that EVs (and related AV) must predominate in a few short years, stop throwing taxpayers' money at so-called "green" industries while persecuting the conventional energy and transport industries, and stop forcing us down the path upon which Europe will suffer horribly this winter and beyond. Modern civilization relies on abundant, affordable energy. A test case is forming in Europe as we speak. Don't avert your eyes.
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One of the things I never see mentioned, what to do when criminals stand in front of and behind your self driving vehicle at a stop sign and the car won't move forward or backward since it applies the brakes to avoid the objects it has detected. Does your wife and kids have to sit there and be robbed or molested?
 
I get the drift here that the general consensus is to hold AV's to standards humans have not, do not, and could not attain.
My 91-year-old mother can meet a standard which no mere Level 2 AV Tesla can meet. Let's start with that.

You make it seem as if only an AV could possibly emerge from a typical NASCAR race unscathed.
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Feel free to point out where I said that.
I never attributed actual words to you. I wrote "You make it seem as if ...".

I'll stick with the NASCAR race as an example of human driving capability which no AV will ever come close to approaching. And, yes, coming close is what will be required for AVs to survive in the real world of American roads.
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I am sure the Auto industry is elated now that the standard for performance has been set by your 91 year old mother.
They should be elated. But they aren't because they're not even close to fielding AV that can match her. There's heaps of irony in that, but you can't see it. :cool:
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One of the things I never see mentioned, what to do when criminals stand in front of and behind your self driving vehicle at a stop sign and the car won't move forward or backward since it applies the brakes to avoid the objects it has detected. Does your wife and kids have to sit there and be robbed or molested?
If its in drive mode its just like any other car
 
Thanks for the insight Dusty. Could it be is a self driving mode and stop completely? Or do they shift out of self-drive when coming to a complete stop?
There are no "self-driving" cars on the road, except perhaps a few experimental ones in certain small pilot cities. The only cars approved for general use are "Autonomous Level 2", defined (emphasis added):

"Automation system is doing most of the driving, including steering, braking, and accelerating in specific scenarios, but driver must remain alert and is required to actively supervise the technology at all times."

Even when Level 3 AVs are approved, they still will not be fully "self-driving", since a human driver must still be "present, alert, and able to take control of the vehicle at any time, especially in the case of an emergency due to system failure."

If a human must be actively monitoring and ready to take over at any moment, it means touching the brake pedal, accelerator pedal, or moving the steering wheel will instantly kick the car out of autonomous mode. (Not unlike the ubiquitous cruise control, which typically only kicks out when the brake pedal is touched or the engine yells "Can't keep up!") So that means the scenario where the driver is stuck while being attacked because the computer is fat, dump, and happy is not possible now, and won't be for a very, very long time - if ever.
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One of the things I never see mentioned, what to do when criminals stand in front of and behind your self driving vehicle at a stop sign and the car won't move forward or backward since it applies the brakes to avoid the objects it has detected. Does your wife and kids have to sit there and be robbed or molested?
There are systems out there that could be a problem. "Subaru Eyesight" is one that works quite well. It is a camera/laser/sonar based system.

By design it will apply the brakes in forward/reverse when an object is sensed in the path from a start. Examples touted are preventing people from putting the car in drive thinking they are in reverse and hitting the gas. Not running over the kids bike left behind the car.

Rapid acceleration is one of the triggers. In a crowded parking lot I can creep around with a foot on the brake and get as close as I want to obstacles, accelerating out the shop door. often gets the brakes applied hard.

Honestly never tried to run over a human standing in front or behind, but based on other things, I am guessing it could be a problem if that was the intent. Might try next time one comes in.

Plenty of video out there on these systems, "Automatic Emergency Braking" or "Pedestrian detection" would be the features to look for
 
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