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Barts 6mm 105gr Hammers

6bra1k said:
me thinks you are funny
be shooters have lead the way in long range accuracy
f class targets are much larget than br targets at both 600 and 1000 yards
things some of you claim do not work
start at TOUCH( NOT JAM AND CERTAINLY NOT A HARD JAM)
(hard jam is a variable...touch is not)
you can them move OUT and see what happens.
if you find nothing you can move in(jam)
just me but to date i have always found winning accuracy off of touch
for my guns typically i am between 10 and 15 off
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And I find your post funny....
In br y'all run 5-10 for record as fast as you can in a given condition, to me this would explain the smaller x&10 ring. Y'all also get awards for smallest group even if its in the 5 ring.
Fclass you get a possible 200 20x shot through various conditions no closest to the x, no small group, no participation awards.
High score wins period.
My apologies if I've offended anyone, this is merely an observation of a guy that shoots local club Fclass but keeps an eye on whats going on nationally rooting for the folks I've met here.
Now its time for another shot!!
 
For a new reloader it’s simpler to go with an acceptable neck tension. Long seat it in a prep piece of brass with no primer or powder, and then chamberi it and let the chamber set the bullet. Measure from there and call that hard jam. Work back off the lands from that point. You will find the best load if you are doing everything else correctly. I did this for my first two years with 6brs, ppcs and dashers. Worked fine and had zero problems. Some guns actually shot better hard seated into the lands, especially ppcs For me that means .15 groups or better.

As long as my bolt does not have an ejector, I now use the Wheeler method because I want to know how far into the lands or away from them I am. I can compare this distance from one barrel to the next and know that it is an accurate comparison. My groups are my any better using one method over the other.

Btw, if and when I learn how to remove the ejector, I will use the Wheeler method on my ejector bolts.
 
OK Guys,

When I talk to customers about tuning long range rifles, I tell them that I usually start at touch and go into the rifling from there. Most of the time I’ll end up .006 to .012 in. I also tell them they can find an equally good seating depth jumping. Usually once again .006 to .012 jumping.

This weekend I shot the Hog Roast (short range) which is a qualifier for the World Team. I shot a 6BRA with the 105 Hammers in the 200 yard HV and came in 4th out of 70 shooters. Bad timing on the 3rd target cost me the match.
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The 105 Hammers work pretty good for long range to.

Bart
 
Bc'z said:
And I find your post funny....
In br y'all run 5-10 for record as fast as you can in a given condition, to me this would explain the smaller x&10 ring. Y'all also get awards for smallest group even if its in the 5 ring.
Fclass you get a possible 200 20x shot through various conditions no closest to the x, no small group, no participation awards.
High score wins period.
My apologies if I've offended anyone, this is merely an observation of a guy that shoots local club Fclass but keeps an eye on whats going on nationally rooting for the folks I've met here.
Now its time for another shot!!
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they are two different games...no commonality at alll...both uses rifles, tho some benchrest rifles are machines.
you also get EVERY SHOT PLOTTED SO YOU CAN ADJUST YOUR NEXT, WE DO NOT
we get small group anywhere on the target and high score, then over all for lite gun and over all for heavy, and then aggs for best average guy at the top
i do not think you have offended anyone but its like comparing apples to pineapples...it dont work
as far "as fast as you can" ,at the nationals i sat and waited FOUR Min for the wind to go back to my "condition" so i could finish.
 
BartsBullets said:
OK Guys,

When I talk to customers about tuning long range rifles, I tell them that I usually start at touch and go into the rifling from there. Most of the time I’ll end up .006 to .012 in. I also tell them they can find an equally good seating depth jumping. Usually once again .006 to .012 jumping.

This weekend I shot the Hog Roast (short range) which is a qualifier for the World Team. I shot a 6BRA with the 105 Hammers in the 200 yard HV and came in 4th out of 70 shooters. Bad timing on the 3rd target cost me the match.
View attachment 1339530

The 105 Hammers work pretty good for long range to.

Bart
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200 is still short range, long starts at 600...
bart is known to have some skill....lol
 
Ccrider said:
For a new reloader it’s simpler to go with an acceptable neck tension. Long seat it in a prep piece of brass with no primer or powder, and then chamberi it and let the chamber set the bullet. Measure from there and call that hard jam. Work back off the lands from that point. You will find the best load if you are doing everything else correctly. I did this for my first two years with 6brs, ppcs and dashers. Worked fine and had zero problems. Some guns actually shot better hard seated into the lands, especially ppcs For me that means .15 groups or better.

As long as my bolt does not have an ejector, I now use the Wheeler method because I want to know how far into the lands or away from them I am. I can compare this distance from one barrel to the next and know that it is an accurate comparison. My groups are my any better using one method over the other.

Btw, if and when I learn how to remove the ejector, I will use the Wheeler method on my ejector bolts.
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lets just say i choose to disagree
 
BartsBullets said:
OK Guys,

When I talk to customers about tuning long range rifles, I tell them that I usually start at touch and go into the rifling from there. Most of the time I’ll end up .006 to .012 in. I also tell them they can find an equally good seating depth jumping. Usually once again .006 to .012 jumping.

This weekend I shot the Hog Roast (short range) which is a qualifier for the World Team. I shot a 6BRA with the 105 Hammers in the 200 yard HV and came in 4th out of 70 shooters. Bad timing on the 3rd target cost me the match.
View attachment 1339530

The 105 Hammers work pretty good for long range to.

Bart
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for those listening, bart is one of the very best in benchrest.
please not he says to START AT TOUCH..not hard jam
he then says go in, and then out may work
 
Ok
To follow up on my previous post/remarks to Mike.
I was just having a lil bit of fun after a long day and a shot of Rye trying to heal my sore ass for spending $300 for 5# of Varget. Lol
As I explained to @newbieshooter I've learned an immense amount of load development and tuning from folks in various disciplines and try and take a little bit from everyone and apply it to see what works and why. Kind of separating the wheat from the chaff if you will.
I have the utmost respect for all serious competitors who put in the work testing and tuning along with the huge sums of money it takes to be on top of thier game no matter the discipline.
 
Start at Jump or Jam, it doesn’t matter. Finding Jam is just as consistent as finding touch if done properly. However, Jam is relative to that particular shooter, neck tension, and bullet (which is fine). One big pro for using Jam and working backwards is you only have one way to go and therefore should not miss the proper seating depth.

Bart
 
BartsBullets said:
OK Guys,

When I talk to customers about tuning long range rifles, I tell them that I usually start at touch and go into the rifling from there. Most of the time I’ll end up .006 to .012 in. I also tell them they can find an equally good seating depth jumping. Usually once again .006 to .012 jumping.

This weekend I shot the Hog Roast (short range) which is a qualifier for the World Team. I shot a 6BRA with the 105 Hammers in the 200 yard HV and came in 4th out of 70 shooters. Bad timing on the 3rd target cost me the match.
View attachment 1339530

The 105 Hammers work pretty good for long range to.

Bart
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Did you make the team?
I was looking at the results from the match. 1 bad target can really blow a sweet agg.
 
BartsBullets said:
OK Guys,

When I talk to customers about tuning long range rifles, I tell them that I usually start at touch and go into the rifling from there. Most of the time I’ll end up .006 to .012 in. I also tell them they can find an equally good seating depth jumping. Usually once again .006 to .012 jumping.

This weekend I shot the Hog Roast (short range) which is a qualifier for the World Team. I shot a 6BRA with the 105 Hammers in the 200 yard HV and came in 4th out of 70 shooters. Bad timing on the 3rd target cost me the match.
View attachment 1339530

The 105 Hammers work pretty good for long range to.

Bart
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Bart, May I ask why you opted for your BRA over a PPC at 200 Yards, were the conditions that bad you thought the heavier higher BC bullet gave you the advantage?
 
The only consistent in my opinion is touch. There it is. You can see it. Jam is for sure a variable . I guess everyone likes jam because maybe it is catchy term. Start .015 out from touch and work the bullet back into the case. At some point you will find the sweet spot, given your doing the rest correctly. Kudos to Bart, he had a question...BART TESTED. Foreign concept to many. Target 3, ugh 4 and 1, my condolences, lol.
 
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