Dusty Stevens
Shiner
You can drop the slide on a chambered round in a kahr no problem
Bullet set back in carry gun
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Old Navy
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Simply because it is raining and I am bored. I just double checked what I have know for years. Good ammo and a good gun will not setback ammo. I just dropped a round in and released the slide. Repeated this ten times. Did not set back .001". The gun is a Remington 1911 R1s. The ammo is Hornady Critical Defense. I have been reloading .45 ACP forever. I have found a lot of things over the years that set reloads back. I have a tray in my loading room with about fifty screw ups in it. I know what caused all of them.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Dropping a round in the chamber and closing the slide only has the potential for breaking an extractor. Feeding them from the mag is what causes setback
brokeasajoke
Silver $$ Contributor
Just checked my Taurus TCP 380 and the Winchester PDX1 has set back .010.
Old Navy
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Usually not enough crimp, wrong bullet hitting the feed ramp to hard etc.
snert
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So I made my living first being a pastor, then teaching kindergarten. Then I became a cop and my skill set sent me straight to firearms instruction...I guess cause I knew how to pray, and could talk to children, they thought I was the perfect guy to teach. If you know cops, you can cue knowing laughter now.
One thing I learned was that I Iearned something new every time we did training.
So over 17 years I learned that a Glock 40 and 9mm will reliably push back a bullet, (Speer, Hydro-shock and Rem Golden Saber,) if our guys regularly drew the gun from the holster, dropped the mag, worked the slide to empty the chamber and then plopped that round back in to the mag to be chambered...tomorrow. In a 40 this resulted in a blown gun in an adjacent PD. So I learned to play it safe and have my guys store firearms in a loaded condition in a locked storage container (Locker and in the holster) (remember that some people forget to reload, while others do stupid stuff when chambering a round). So we went with load it, leave it, till you have to use it or service it.
Servicing, administrative inspections, and emergency securing of the weapon are not pertinent to this discussion at this point, but each was made a part of policy, training and practice.
The next thing I learned was that dropping a round into the hole, then popping the slide shut will most certainly break extractors. And it will do it on Glocks, Kahrs, Beretta, and SW autos. No one was using 1911 in my area in the job, so I can't comment on that. Speer lawman and the guys who had this (untaught) habit seemed to be like pork and beans...they went together. I don't know why. A mystery like the Virgin Birth and why there is a direct correlation between buying a new set of unneeded dies and then needing a new rifle...unexplainable.
As far as numbers are concerned, my sample group (X 17 years) consisted of 95 employees 2x a year, two Instructor classes a year (30 guys) and one rookie class of between 25 and 45 guys every other year. Toss in random teaching and subbing for two other agencies and lets say I saw a few "unusual" situations. And keep in mind, give a cop and anvil and ten minutes later it will be bent, cracked or rusted.
So, don't keep unloading that firearm every time you put it away. Buy a GOOD safe and use it, every time.
Toss those rounds.
And no matter what you are being told, don't drop a round in the chamber and drop the slide. You will certainly experience Snert-luck. Snert-luck defined: It will never show a single sign of wear, and will always work, while developing an unseen weakness which will, of course, manifest itself while the local 200 pound Rottweiler is chewing your nether region off, and round one bounces off his noggin. And now that case is stuck up the pipe. Snert-luck sucks,
just sayin
One thing I learned was that I Iearned something new every time we did training.
So over 17 years I learned that a Glock 40 and 9mm will reliably push back a bullet, (Speer, Hydro-shock and Rem Golden Saber,) if our guys regularly drew the gun from the holster, dropped the mag, worked the slide to empty the chamber and then plopped that round back in to the mag to be chambered...tomorrow. In a 40 this resulted in a blown gun in an adjacent PD. So I learned to play it safe and have my guys store firearms in a loaded condition in a locked storage container (Locker and in the holster) (remember that some people forget to reload, while others do stupid stuff when chambering a round). So we went with load it, leave it, till you have to use it or service it.
Servicing, administrative inspections, and emergency securing of the weapon are not pertinent to this discussion at this point, but each was made a part of policy, training and practice.
The next thing I learned was that dropping a round into the hole, then popping the slide shut will most certainly break extractors. And it will do it on Glocks, Kahrs, Beretta, and SW autos. No one was using 1911 in my area in the job, so I can't comment on that. Speer lawman and the guys who had this (untaught) habit seemed to be like pork and beans...they went together. I don't know why. A mystery like the Virgin Birth and why there is a direct correlation between buying a new set of unneeded dies and then needing a new rifle...unexplainable.
As far as numbers are concerned, my sample group (X 17 years) consisted of 95 employees 2x a year, two Instructor classes a year (30 guys) and one rookie class of between 25 and 45 guys every other year. Toss in random teaching and subbing for two other agencies and lets say I saw a few "unusual" situations. And keep in mind, give a cop and anvil and ten minutes later it will be bent, cracked or rusted.
So, don't keep unloading that firearm every time you put it away. Buy a GOOD safe and use it, every time.
Toss those rounds.
And no matter what you are being told, don't drop a round in the chamber and drop the slide. You will certainly experience Snert-luck. Snert-luck defined: It will never show a single sign of wear, and will always work, while developing an unseen weakness which will, of course, manifest itself while the local 200 pound Rottweiler is chewing your nether region off, and round one bounces off his noggin. And now that case is stuck up the pipe. Snert-luck sucks,
just sayin
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I always preferred an 870 for Rottie's or other varieties of land sharks
just sayinCool, I learned something. Revolvers rule! Lol
brokeasajoke
Silver $$ Contributor
Maybe some would like to share mistakes some of us may be ignorant to when it comes to everyday carry. We've all seen mine now and I'm going to correct mine starting yesterday. There is a lock box in my closet now. Another I have seen, but not by me was "here check this out look why I'm carrying". Seen a guy pull it to show then the other guy dropped it as it was handed to him. Early on I carried in my pocket without a holster of any kind and it needed cleaning at least every 2 days. Part of that is due to my work as well.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
One of those rfid boxes hornady makes would work real well. I believe they can be screwed to a dresser or wall or whatever
I don't have kids and would never unload my carry pistol , the rest of them is ok.... Bullet set back happens with constant loading and unloading , that is not uncommon.... With setback in small cases the pressure builds very fast... You get dangerous pressure levels with no benefits.... If there setback bad then I wouldn't shoot them and I have seen some serious setback from exactly what is happening to you.... If these are reloads then I would pull them no doubt and if their factory I wouldn't trust them if pulled in a carry gun....
shoot4fun
Gold $$ Contributor
Don't shoot those. 9MM can produce disastrous pressure when seated that deep.
May not damage the gun but you'll likely get a face full of scrap brass.
I used to work with a guy like that. He was one of the best welders I've ever seen, but put him on any machine with moving parts, and he'd break it. Machinery, cars , motorcycles didn't stand a chance with him.
joshb
Gold $$ Contributor
Many years ago, I built an indoor range in the basement of the house I owned. Tens of thousands of pistol rounds were fired over 15 years by old guys, young guys, kids and women. The one and only accidental misfire that ever occurred was shot by a New Jersey Police Officer.
snert
Silver $$ Contributor
But it was a round nose FMJ, so it couldn't hurt anything. Only those dreaded hollow points...
I would not pull them,but instead insert them in a kenetic bullet puller and tap it so the bullet moves forward.
then reseat to correct length.
then reseat to correct length.
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