Ejectors vs accurcy
- Thread starter Alex Wheeler
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Don’t ya worry about that to entertaining fir me.Don’t fall asleep Stanley
Dusty Stevens
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Farley has a lockout on all his ejectors. I do that mod to mine as well so when im not in a match i lock it out.
I probably can't shoot well enough to tell the difference...but I am running a light spring ejector on the dasher, cause I chose to, it shoots well so I don't change a thing...as to the other rifles no ...Is there difference? ...I don't know. The AR 10s are all running dual plungers for ejection... twice the pressure! ...it gets the brass out of the chamber with authority. Would they be more accurate with a single ejector? Probably not concerned about it, at this point...sounds like an exhaustive experiment. Maybe later... AR 10 single or dual ejectors...might try that..same barrel, same ammo,.. 2 bolts, single and double ejectors. The dual ejectors are providing some good accuracy, but it's probably has more to do with excellent barrels.
Alex Wheeler
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Ask @tom he's testing but dont know what he will share.
Ledd Slinger
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Brainstorming on the “Accuracy” side of vs. in the thread title since I believe burning brain cells and on ejectors is a waste of time...
I think more R&D should be put into Remington’s discontinued EtronX design. I bet that ignition system concept based on a Benchrest receiver platform would eventually yield amazing results.
Trigger can be set as light as the heart desires since there is no mechanical sears
No need for trigger timing without sears, springs, or cocking pieces so there would be No cock on open and No cock on close
Insanely fast lock time yet no movement in the fire control system during ignition.
No complicated trigger mechanisms to get dirty and fail
No bolt movement due to pin movement and primer strike
No firing pin springs that will weaken over time
No need to worry about firing pin diameters.
And the list could keep on going...
The EtronX design came and went as fast as the wind because it was way too far ahead of its time and not many people really understood the potential benefits. I know I sure didn’t get it at the time. With all the new knowledge and testing that’s been done to date on the importance of proper ignition and trigger timing/tuning, I think the EtronX or a variation of that concept should be given another look.
Testing and tuning the ignition system on ammo could literally be as simple as turning a potentiometer to change the initial charging voltage of the capacitor. This could be done in extremely fine increments to an almost infinite level and returning to a point would be as simple dialing the pot back.
Primers are now simply resistors in the EtronX design that instantaneously heat up from the discharge of the capacitor and ignite the powder. Kind of futile how we try to measure for seating depths and weights of current chemical primers then pray that cup thicknesses, pin strike forces, and amount of paste in the primers are all identical to blow up to ignite the powder the same every time. Unfortunately that’s never gonna happen, at least not with any certainty in the consistency. On the other hand, none of this would really be much of a concern anymore with resistive electronic primers. If a person wanted to sort primers, a simple check of the resistance to the 3rd decimal with a high quality Multi-meter would be all that’s needed. With a given voltage value and a given resistance value, the amperage produced and energy released in watts will be the same every time. Very simple proven math. So proven in fact that it is a scientific law (Ohm’s Law). The best part is that the normally unknown aspects of our current crude caveman ignition systems with chemical primers and springs could now all be checked and verified with precision in an electronic ignition system to give us mathematical certainty of the consistency.
I think more R&D should be put into Remington’s discontinued EtronX design. I bet that ignition system concept based on a Benchrest receiver platform would eventually yield amazing results.
Trigger can be set as light as the heart desires since there is no mechanical sears
No need for trigger timing without sears, springs, or cocking pieces so there would be No cock on open and No cock on close
Insanely fast lock time yet no movement in the fire control system during ignition.
No complicated trigger mechanisms to get dirty and fail
No bolt movement due to pin movement and primer strike
No firing pin springs that will weaken over time
No need to worry about firing pin diameters.
And the list could keep on going...
The EtronX design came and went as fast as the wind because it was way too far ahead of its time and not many people really understood the potential benefits. I know I sure didn’t get it at the time. With all the new knowledge and testing that’s been done to date on the importance of proper ignition and trigger timing/tuning, I think the EtronX or a variation of that concept should be given another look.
Testing and tuning the ignition system on ammo could literally be as simple as turning a potentiometer to change the initial charging voltage of the capacitor. This could be done in extremely fine increments to an almost infinite level and returning to a point would be as simple dialing the pot back.
Primers are now simply resistors in the EtronX design that instantaneously heat up from the discharge of the capacitor and ignite the powder. Kind of futile how we try to measure for seating depths and weights of current chemical primers then pray that cup thicknesses, pin strike forces, and amount of paste in the primers are all identical to blow up to ignite the powder the same every time. Unfortunately that’s never gonna happen, at least not with any certainty in the consistency. On the other hand, none of this would really be much of a concern anymore with resistive electronic primers. If a person wanted to sort primers, a simple check of the resistance to the 3rd decimal with a high quality Multi-meter would be all that’s needed. With a given voltage value and a given resistance value, the amperage produced and energy released in watts will be the same every time. Very simple proven math. So proven in fact that it is a scientific law (Ohm’s Law). The best part is that the normally unknown aspects of our current crude caveman ignition systems with chemical primers and springs could now all be checked and verified with precision in an electronic ignition system to give us mathematical certainty of the consistency.
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NC/Br Shooter
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As just responding to the title of the thread,
I had, say still have this one Remington 700 action, that I ran a 6br barrel on. I took the bolt apart one day, put it back together without the ejector. I always useded it as a single shot anyway. I probably ran two batches of lapua brass through those several months of shooting. I just decided one day to put the ejector back in my bolt. I had Bout half my brass would not cam into chamber. I figured the bases of my brass had grown just enough to cause a problem. Ever had this happen?
I had, say still have this one Remington 700 action, that I ran a 6br barrel on. I took the bolt apart one day, put it back together without the ejector. I always useded it as a single shot anyway. I probably ran two batches of lapua brass through those several months of shooting. I just decided one day to put the ejector back in my bolt. I had Bout half my brass would not cam into chamber. I figured the bases of my brass had grown just enough to cause a problem. Ever had this happen?
NC/Br Shooter
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I remember that gun on the web page back in the day. That was like 98 or something?
I’m running out of popcorn guy’s.
Ya wanna share. LOLI'm good!
How's the beer holding up?
I’ve had to cut back a little the gas prices is killing me it’s either get to work or drink beer so I’m at work.
it's probably for the best with the stuff your leaning back with...LOL
Get some Schaeffer. It's $10 bucks cheaper a case, and you don't
have to hold your nose to swallow it.....
I’m looking forward to one of these guy’s to prove which way to go ejectors or ejector less my matches don’t start until May it would give me time to work on my rifles.it's probably for the best with the stuff your leaning back with...LOL
Get some Schaeffer. It's $10 bucks cheaper a case, and you don't
have to hold your nose to swallow it.....
PS I will be turning your barrel Monday but it’s ejector less.Lol
To the original question, I would say a tight chamber and a properly sized case will show no change. Loose chamber, oversized case, I would expect to see a change with vs without a plunger style ejector.
Alex Wheeler
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So far unless I missed it, no one has said they have seen any difference in accuracy between an ejector or without. Only hypothetical differences no real world experiences. Same as what I have seen and expected to hear. I just wanted this info out there so when people search for it they will find it and forget about the ejector vs no ejector worries 
Northridge
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Alex I would agree but disagree, based off my data "actual data" not hypothetical Where I agree is in clean function I find zero difference, start slamming a bolt in the right configuration and you will induce problems for easily documented on the pin ejector versions. go's like any other conversation we have on here if your curious go test them and you may or may not see the difference. i shoot both versions with successSo far unless I missed it, no one has said they have seen any difference in accuracy between an ejector or without. Only hypothetical differences no real world experiences. Same as what I have seen and expected to hear. I just wanted this info out there so when people search for it they will find it and forget about the ejector vs no ejector worries
Shawn Williams
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