Corrected details - WA 10 Round magazine limit

[Dusty Stevens]

I just got a look at the final bill yesterday night. It appears that someone managed an amendment to remove all of the possession limitations. There also appears to be new verbiage that allows me to bring a magazine I take out of Washington back into the state, so long as it is the same magazine.

With that in mind, I can keep on keeping on with what I have.

We also need to think about the LGS. Not the big chains that can move stuff to another state and sell it, the ones that are actual local stores. They have stock that needs to be sold by 7/1/22. That means pistols that come with magazines that hold over 10 rounds, and any magazine stock they have. As a firearms community in Washington, we need to go buy all of that stock out before stocking up online.

I might jut go buy a couple of new toys over the next couple of month, just to have them....

I'll take pictures of everything, just for my protection, and store the photos with the toys.

If you have a shop trying to get rid of some std capacity stuff post it here and we’ll get em out from under them. Id definitely be willing to grab something if i could help them out.

 

[seymour fish]

I just read that. The language used in the justification portion is unbelievable.

This looks like a research project for a 9th grade class. It refers to studies but doesn't cite them. It uses unsubstantiated claims with no attempt to substantiate them. If I turned a justification like this in in my professional life, I would be laughed at. If I had turned this in as a research project in jr high, I would have received a D, maybe.

So some false-flag mass-shooting ops, and a law no doubt excluding antifa / blm. Progress !

 

[PhilC]

I just read that. The language used in the justification portion is unbelievable.

This looks like a research project for a 9th grade class. It refers to studies but doesn't cite them. It uses unsubstantiated claims with no attempt to substantiate them. If I turned a justification like this in in my professional life, I would be laughed at. If I had turned this in as a research project in jr high, I would have received a D, maybe.

Yeah, we have "rocket scientists" in our legislature.

 

[brokeasajoke]

Does this count as a magazine?

 

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Looks like $1599 and up.

 

[perazziguy]

How did anyone make this Trumps fault?

My mother-in-law, she has TDS!

 

[ronsatspokane]

With respect to 18 "Loaded Means" in subsection b: "Cartridges are in a clip that is locked in place in the firearm"

A clip? I don't have any clips. Guess we will need the SCOTUS to decide. Let the lawsuits begin. In the meantime, in addition to those who voted for this bill in the senate and the house, the people who need to be held accountable at the ballot box are (according to the bill):

By Senate Law & Justice (originally sponsored by Senators Liias,
Kuderer, Darneille, Hunt, Nguyen, Pedersen, and Wilson, C.; by
request of Attorney General)

The requesting attorney general being the leftist hater of the 2nd amendment Bob Ferguson. He and his employees will not need to abide by the law he creates. Funny how that works eh? Especially considering that they are our employees. Our employees have now granted themselves the power to hold a high capacity firearm to the head of a citizen of the state of washington in order to take their high capacity magazine away. Unless the citizen can prove that they bought said magazine prior to our employees granting themselves the power to take it. We are fucked and the NRA is nowhere to be seen.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

With respect to 18 "Loaded Means" in subsection b: "Cartridges are in a clip that is locked in place in the firearm"

A clip? I don't have any clips. Guess we will need the SCOTUS to decide. Let the lawsuits begin. In the meantime, in addition to those who voted for this bill in the senate and the house, the people who need to be held accountable at the ballot box are (according to the bill):

By Senate Law & Justice (originally sponsored by Senators Liias,
Kuderer, Darneille, Hunt, Nguyen, Pedersen, and Wilson, C.; by
request of Attorney General)

The requesting attorney general being the leftist hater of the 2nd amendment Bob Ferguson. He and his employees will not need to abide by the law he creates. Funny how that works eh? Especially considering that they are our employees. Our employees have now granted themselves the power to hold a high capacity firearm to the head of a citizen of the state of washington in order to take their high capacity magazine away. Unless the citizen can prove that they bought said magazine prior to our employees granting themselves the power to take it. We are fucked and the NRA is nowhere to be seen.

Holler at the 2nd amendment foundation. Allen and those guys would love to get in on this, but id be willing to bet theyre already on it we just havent heard yet. Anytime theres a stupid ass law they are on it

 

[ronsatspokane]

Get all your buddies and all their magazines and pile them on a table along with your magazines and everyone take their individual picture standing beside the pile. You might need to rearrange the pile for each picture so it doesn't look like you got all your buddies and all their magazines and piled them on a table with your magazines and everyone took their individual picture standing beside the pile. Bonus points if you stack them on the floor and pile is head high.

The picture thing is among the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Initially the legislation required a photo as proof that you owned the mag prior to the law being passed. I personally like the idea of turn them into porn shots. Modeled, of course, after the New York city response to the Mayor de Blasio's snitch hotline. Within hours of the snitch hotline being setup they received thousands of dick pics. The snitch line was shutdown shortly after.

 

[spencerhenry]

Hide em. Colorado has the same kinda restriction. I personally know of peeps who kept 30 rounders hidden. Or don't.

Colorado does NOT have a ban on magazines over 15 rounds.

20, 30 and larger magazines ARE still legal to possess. The law in Colorado makes it illegal to buy or sell magazines over 15 rounds, but not posession.

 

[PhilC]

Colorado does NOT have a ban on magazines over 15 rounds.

20, 30 and larger magazines ARE still legal to possess. The law in Colorado makes it illegal to buy or sell magazines over 15 rounds, but not posession.

That is, effectively, the way it will be in WA on 7.1.22 except this legislation also sets the magazine limit to 10 rounds.

 

[PRR1957]

How did anyone make this Trumps fault?

TDS. (Trump Derangement Symptom)
Most of these Leftist, Trump still lives in their head rent free.

 

[darkangel_r2]

I would make the argument that a rifle capable of 600 yard effective range is not compatible with a home defense weapon. Optics, barrel length, attachments, and ammo for both of those criteria are significantly different. One of the fun parts of ar15s is having different uppers.

You want 600 yard effective range? Get a low to mid power variable optic and put an 16-20 inch 6 or 6.5 grendel variant upper with a bipod mounted. I like the 6mm better than 6.5 for grendel.

You want home defense with a mag restriction? take your pick of high energy close range ar 15 compatible rounds. Slap in a stronger spring and an adjustable gas block and your ar15 can chew anything you want and get more than double the energy per shot of 223 (450 bushmaster can get over 2.5k ftlbs).

Or you can use a shotgun. Which is better. Anything between nickel plated 4 buck and soft lead 00 works really well. I started out reloading for shotgun so I have done a lot of it. A lee loadall is like 50 bucks. Grab a couple hundred fgm hulls from a local trap club, some 12s4 wads (cut off petals off), some blue dot, and some bpi buckshot and you got cheap-ish home defense 12 gauge ammo you can tailor for recoil or function in any 12g. Its fun too. bpi has a good deal on number 1 buck which is the smallest I suggest for unplated lead. 16 pellet should be easy (4x4). Use 1 3/8 load data.

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Should cost about .50 per shell. Which is about what the junkiest 9 pelllet 00 costs right now. 16#1 has 50% more cutting area per shot. Thats a ton more damage in home defense range. And number 1 buck is the smallest pellet size that meets fbi minimum penetration testing. Best home defense ammo on the planet in my opinion, that's why I made a ton of it. Doesn't kick bad with blue dot either.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I would make the argument that a rifle capable of 600 yard effective range is not compatible with a home defense weapon. Optics, barrel length, attachments, and ammo for both of those criteria are significantly different. One of the fun parts of ar15s is having different uppers.

You want 600 yard effective range? Get a low to mid power variable optic and put an 16-20 inch 6 or 6.5 grendel variant upper with a bipod mounted. I like the 6mm better than 6.5 for grendel.

You want home defense with a mag restriction? take your pick of high energy close range ar 15 compatible rounds. Slap in a stronger spring and an adjustable gas block and your ar15 can chew anything you want and get more than double the energy per shot of 223 (450 bushmaster can get over 2.5k ftlbs).

Or you can use a shotgun. Which is better. Anything between nickel plated 4 buck and soft lead 00 works really well. I started out reloading for shotgun so I have done a lot of it. A lee loadall is like 50 bucks. Grab a couple hundred fgm hulls from a local trap club, some 12s4 wads (cut off petals off), some blue dot, and some bpi buckshot and you got cheap-ish home defense 12 gauge ammo you can tailor for recoil or function in any 12g. Its fun too. bpi has a good deal on number 1 buck which is the smallest I suggest for unplated lead. 16 pellet should be easy (4x4). Use 1 3/8 load data.

BAM 5% Antimony #1 Buck 7.65mm (22#)

The first Nickel-Plated Buckshot available to American handloaders. This is the finest buckshot we've ever seen! Antimonied lead core with a copper wash and then a thick nickel plating. Coyotes have met their match!

www.ballisticproducts.com

Should cost about .50 per shell. Which is about what the junkiest 9 pelllet 00 costs right now. 16#1 has 50% more cutting area per shot. Thats a ton more damage in home defense range. And number 1 buck is the smallest pellet size that meets fbi minimum penetration testing. Best home defense ammo on the planet in my opinion, that's why I made a ton of it. Doesn't kick bad with blue dot either.

All good advice for indoor problems. Maneuvering a "normal" shotgun indoors is a PITA which makes me think that a nice semi-auto bullpup would be a good thing to keep around. (I'm not well enough trained to use a pump effectively, and can't afford to get there with the current state of ammo.)

If you can't make a defensive shot against anything big enough to hurt you at 600 yards without magnification, you might need to rethink your idea of what you may be attempting to accomplish in such a situation. As noted before, the 600 yard requirement is born out of having the rifle as a multi-use platform, capable of effective hunting in addition to self-defense. To me, starving to death seems more likely than getting into a fight at such ranges.

Cheers,

 

[Trevor60]

I am thinking you are looking for a battle rifle in 308.
FN-FAL
HK417 (civilian version)
SCAR.

The distance requirement is adding another level of complexity...every threat assessment must be Identified.
Is that a phone or a firearm, is that a coyote/wolf or German Shepard.
when did the event take place, daylight, dusk/dawn or dark night.

Scoping your rifle system would allow you to make positive idea at distance during daylight, dusk/dawn. putting an RDS on the side of your scope would allow closer work.

I would strongly recommend professional training

Cheers
Trevor

P.S.

Forgot to add

attaching a light source

 

[darkangel_r2]

All good advice for indoor problems. Maneuvering a "normal" shotgun indoors is a PITA which makes me think that a nice semi-auto bullpup would be a good thing to keep around. (I'm not well enough trained to use a pump effectively, and can't afford to get there with the current state of ammo.)

I made some dummy shells and practice racking the slide to feed and eject with them when bird shots not cheap. Pro tip pump guns have very few moving parts and are very robust you can rack the slide as hard as physically possible and you are unlikely to damage the gun. Also with an 18" barrel most pump guns are only a few inches longer than a full size pistol held in a proper firing stance. Learn to pie your doors. Semis cost more and some can be dodgy. If you go that route get a good one. A cheap mavrick 88 runs like a top. A cheap semi can literally fall appart. I have a vepr 12 that eats my 2 3/4 hand loads like a champ. The 3" magnums (3000 ftlbs) almost shook it apart and a verp 12 is a tank of a semi.

If you can't make a defensive shot against anything big enough to hurt you at 600 yards without magnification, you might need to rethink your idea of what you may be attempting to accomplish in such a situation.

With standard ar15 sights ipsc torsos got hard to hit consistently around 3-400 for me. An ipsc torso at 300 appears as wide as your fist with the thumb out at 100 yards. With short sight radius weapons (you're not shooting a 32" 308 palma) that's not an inherently easy shot. Especially if its moving or God forbid shooting back. Red dots pushed it out a little farther. My general rule for practical accuracy is 1 magnification per 100 yards. So for a close range to 600 gun a 1-6 variable is golden for me.

As noted before, the 600 yard requirement is born out of having the rifle as a multi-use platform, capable of effective hunting in addition to self-defense. To me, starving to death seems more likely than getting into a fight at such ranges.

Cheers,

That's a fair point, most gunfight happen inside of 10 yards. That's why I like multiple uppers. But I will say this, if you have to be in a gunfight I'd try doing so from just inside the max effective range of your weapon system and outside of theirs. If you can make that happen you will probably live longer.

 

[Brians356]

What does the bill that passed actually restrict? Sales of large magazines, but not mere possession?
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[Keith Glasscock]

What does the bill that passed actually restrict? Sales of large magazines, but not mere possession?
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Correct. Purchase, sale, import, distribution, etc.

 

[ronsatspokane]

Correct. Purchase, sale, import, distribution, etc.

Not quite correct as I read it. Possession only if you can prove that you owned it prior to the legislation becoming active.

 

[Brians356]

Correct. Purchase, sale, import, distribution, etc.

Then that's pretty much a simple dusting off of the old 1994 Clinton ban, if it targets commercial sales. Does "import" include a resident reentering WA state with a high-cap magazine? Can a WA resident sell an existing magazine to a private party inside WA state?
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