Tac Ops-Mike Miller post

[Dusty Stevens]

 

[Jeff Porter]

Learn something new everyday.

 

[Tokay444]

There was a lot if REEEE in that other thread from people who can't wrap their heads around someone doing something different than they've themselves have always done.

 

[butchlambert]

REEEEEEEEEEEEE = confused screaming

I'll remember that if I ever hear it.

 

[butchlambert]

There was a lot if REEEE in that other thread from people who can't wrap their heads around someone doing something different than they've themselves have always done.

HUH?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

There was a lot if REEEE in that other thread from people who can't wrap their heads around someone doing something different than they've themselves have always done.

I think most of it was from the other side when BS got called on them. Like that kids game when the kids whisper to each other and see if its the same after a few hear it and retell it

 

[dellet]

Bless your heart, Young feller, not being a Lib must have been the reason that I've never heard the term.

don't forget your manners, Mr Lambert.

 

[butchlambert]

don't forget your manners, Mr Lambert.

Thank you dellet.

 

[tsyarnall]

I didn’t REEEEEEE, but I still raise my eyebrows when I hear 0s and 1s consistently from mass produced commercial match ammo. To be honest, right now I couldn’t even tell where it came from or who said it.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

There was a lot if REEEE in that other thread from people who can't wrap their heads around someone doing something different than they've themselves have always done.

I dont like keeping this going. But it seems like some do. FACT... A hole can not be concentric to another hole past its own tolerance. If a hole has 50 millionths error, your hole cant be within 2 millionths of it. If your told it is, you need to be smarter than the person feeding you that BS and not repeat it. I turn away 75% of the work that comes my way because I am one man. You do not need to BS to be busy. Its a 100% non deniable fact that a chamber cant be within 2 millionths to a bore or groove. The bore is not that good nor is the groove. Explain this and I will listen. Im not un willing to learn or change I promote doing that actually.

 

[Tokay444]

I think most of it was from the other side when BS got called on them. Like that kids game when the kids whisper to each other and see if its the same after a few hear it and retell it

Which BS? Because all I saw was a bunch of grown men who couldn't read, and then balked at the claims Mike Miller backed up.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Which BS? Because all I saw was a bunch of grown men who couldn't read, and then balked at the claims Mike Miller backed up.

All the zeroes and ones, the price, the tolerances, and anything else that was said that was misinterpreted somehow down the line. The guns are advertised as 1/4” or better. The test targets are better but the owners are satisfied with never seeing that. And all this is ok, like i said im sure they are very nice, id like to see one myself. But when they shoot zeroes and ones they would be at every ftr match setting records. Those guys know about them but yet they dont use them.

 

[tom]

I didn’t REEEEEEE, but I still raise my eyebrows when I hear 0s and 1s consistently from mass produced commercial match ammo. To be honest, right now I couldn’t even tell where it came from or who said it.

Sometimes I guess people's definitions are different. If I say the words, "the rifle SHOOTS IN THE 0s to 1s"....I would intend that to mean that it aggs less than .100, and shoots several sub .100 groups in a row. If that had happened I certainly would keep the paper, and post it up once everyone cried BS. And if "piles of rifles" did this, I would keep all the papers and really shut everyone up!


Tom

 

[Dusty Stevens]

On this forum the BS gets called out pretty quick by people that know, not people that read reviews by dudes that got a free gun

 

[Tokay444]

I dont like keeping this going. But it seems like some do. FACT... A hole can not be concentric to another hole past its own tolerance. If a hole has 50 millionths error, your hole cant be within 2 millionths of it. If your told it is, you need to be smarter than the person feeding you that BS and not repeat it. I turn away 75% of the work that comes my way because I am one man. You do not need to BS to be busy. Its a 100% non deniable fact that a chamber cant be within 2 millionths to a bore or groove. The bore is not that good nor is the groove. Explain this and I will listen. Im not un willing to learn or change I promote doing that actually.

“Krieger checked ours, and reported that we were only 2 millionths misaligned.
with all due humility and respect, I submit that this is probably better than most.
If one of you would like to call "FOUL" or "BS" on this, then I refer you to call Krieger (262-628-8558) and ask for
Mike. I think he will be more than able to support our statement. By the way, they independently measured and
verified the alignment.”

 

[Tokay444]

All the zeroes and ones, the price, the tolerances, and anything else that was said that was misinterpreted somehow down the line. The guns are advertised as 1/4” or better. The test targets are better but the owners are satisfied with never seeing that. And all this is ok, like i said im sure they are very nice, id like to see one myself. But when they shoot zeroes and ones they would be at every ftr match setting records. Those guys know about them but yet they dont use them.

Show me all the people who haven’t been able to shoot the sub 1/4moa claim with Fed GMM.

 

[Tokay444]

On this forum the BS gets called out pretty quick by people that know, not people that read reviews by dudes that got a free gun

Who got a free gun? Mike Miller, a champion shooter has now paid for 2 out of his own pocket, and he was a skeptic, but he was willing to have his mind changed, and put his money where his mouth was. Layer down and fired back to back 5 shot groups x 5 sub 1/4moa.
The guarantee isn’t 0s and 1s. The guarantee is 1/4moa. They offer shoot better than the guarantee.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

“Krieger checked ours, and reported that we were only 2 millionths misaligned.
with all due humility and respect, I submit that this is probably better than most.
If one of you would like to call "FOUL" or "BS" on this, then I refer you to call Krieger (262-628-8558) and ask for
Mike. I think he will be more than able to support our statement. By the way, they independently measured and
verified the alignment.”

See post #128 in the original thread by more folks in the know

 

[Alex Wheeler]

“Krieger checked ours, and reported that we were only 2 millionths misaligned.
with all due humility and respect, I submit that this is probably better than most.
If one of you would like to call "FOUL" or "BS" on this, then I refer you to call Krieger (262-628-8558) and ask for
Mike. I think he will be more than able to support our statement. By the way, they independently measured and
verified the alignment.”

I did.
To be 100% fair Mike told me they did send out this barrel and thats what they were told by the company that measured it. Somehow they came up with an average bore center (since the bore is not that good) and the chamber was within 2 millionths of that. What can I say other than I was wrong about my assumptions. Im not sure how they came up with an average but they did. So I apologize, even if I still believe thats not something that can be measured to that level.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Who got a free gun? Mike Miller, a champion shooter has now paid for 2 out of his own pocket, and he was a skeptic, but he was willing to have his mind changed, and put his money where his mouth was. Layer down and fired back to back 5 shot groups x 5 sub 1/4moa.
The guarantee isn’t 0s and 1s. The guarantee is 1/4moa. They offer shoot better than the guarantee.

Dont you think if these guns shot like that mike and every other ftr shooter would be smashing records? Dont you think every shooter at prs matches that actually shoot that style of gun would be smashing records with one? Dont you think a guy would show up at a br match and win it all off a bipod just laughing all the way if they shot like that? Im sure they are nice, shoot very well and again id sure like to try one myself, but people that have guns that shoot like that dont keep them away from matches, they go out and show off. Does mike miller compete in ftr with one right now? I dont remember seeing his answer