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.22 100 yard accuracy ?

My factory CZ 452 and Wolf target match ammo will do 5 shot groups the size of a quarter at 100yds.(witch is good enough for me). I have a 4-16 Vortex on it. The CZ's are hard to beat for an out of box rifle. There are 4-5 other shooters at the club that have them and they all shoot well...
 
100 yards from the shoulder
Anschutz 1813 Krieger 1:17 barrel Sightron 8-32x
Midas+ from testing at Marengo, OH
X ring is 1"- 10 shots each group

...works for me....
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For a bit of perspective, those targets probably would have been in the 240-45 range for score in the match results I posted, where the center and rings are 3/4”. Keep that in mind if you look through the results I linked.

Current record for score off hand is a 232. 220’s generally do well in matches. I would have to look again for off hand group sizes. Keep in mind that’s a hammer fired rifle without a tuner.

Everything I posted is exactly what the OP was asking about and 200 yard results added for perspective since I know he runs with that crowd. He was comparing his two different rifles, one a hammer fired single shot.

So yes, it’s all relevant to the discussion.
 
Yeah, not really the same thing. The folks I'm talking about get INVITED to the test facility before the new lots for the year are released to the general public. Then they buy $10k of a specific lot or two and that keeps them in the competition for the year.
Where have you heard this?
 
Yeah, not really the same thing. The folks I'm talking about get INVITED to the test facility before the new lots for the year are released to the general public. Then they buy $10k of a specific lot or two and that keeps them in the competition for the year.

Not sure which testing facilities you are referencing, but it IS NOT a Lapua test facility.

kev
 
For a bit of perspective, those targets probably would have been in the 240-45 range for score in the match results I posted, where the center and rings are 3/4”. Keep that in mind if you look through the results I linked.

Current record for score off hand is a 232. 220’s generally do well in matches. I would have to look again for off hand group sizes. Keep in mind that’s a hammer fired rifle without a tuner.

Everything I posted is exactly what the OP was asking about and 200 yard results added for perspective since I know he runs with that crowd. He was comparing his two different rifles, one a hammer fired single shot.

So yes, it’s all relevant to the discussion.
I don't think you can compare Ken's targets to some that were shot off a bench. even if the 10-ring is 1/4" bigger he shot from the shoulder. and why does it matter if it is hammered fired?
I be hard press to shoot groups like that from off the bench let along off-hand. excellent shooting Ken!

Lee
 
I don't think you can compare Ken's targets to some that were shot off a bench. even if the 10-ring is 1/4" bigger he shot from the shoulder. and why does it matter if it is hammered fired?
I be hard press to shoot groups like that from off the bench let along off-hand. excellent shooting Ken!

Lee
I was not comparing any targets shot off a bench to any targets shot off hand or from the shoulder. I compared bench results to bench results and drew the best off hand comparison available considering different target and scoring systems.

If you go back to the original post the OP is looking for comparisons for two different rifles, a dedicated bench rest rifle, and a CPA Schuetzen rifle. All of the information I have provided reflects the scores and group sizes shot in ASSRA bench and off hand matches, where the Schuetzen rifle would more likely to compete. Those matches are 100/200 yards. He wanted to know if his groups would be competitive, I simply showed him where to find match results and current record scores.

Not trying to take anything away from 1813benny’s targets, only pointing out a technological advantage that he shot them with. Maybe he could do the same with an old school rifle, it’s would be fun to see the results from someone who shoots that well, maybe his rifle offers no advantage to a good shooter.

I think it was an honest stab at trying to guess what his targets might have scored Overplayed on different rings. He probably would have beat the current ASSRA record by 10-15 points and most match top scores by 20. Probably the difference between a 1” group and a 2”.

I don’t know if 1813benny is that good, or the Schuetzen guys are that bad, just trying to find some tray to make a reasonably honest comparison of expectations.
 
I was not comparing any targets shot off a bench to any targets shot off hand or from the shoulder. I compared bench results to bench results and drew the best off hand comparison available considering different target and scoring systems.

If you go back to the original post the OP is looking for comparisons for two different rifles, a dedicated bench rest rifle, and a CPA Schuetzen rifle. All of the information I have provided reflects the scores and group sizes shot in ASSRA bench and off hand matches, where the Schuetzen rifle would more likely to compete. Those matches are 100/200 yards. He wanted to know if his groups would be competitive, I simply showed him where to find match results and current record scores.

Not trying to take anything away from 1813benny’s targets, only pointing out a technological advantage that he shot them with. Maybe he could do the same with an old school rifle, it’s would be fun to see the results from someone who shoots that well, maybe his rifle offers no advantage to a good shooter.

I think it was an honest stab at trying to guess what his targets might have scored Overplayed on different rings. He probably would have beat the current ASSRA record by 10-15 points and most match top scores by 20. Probably the difference between a 1” group and a 2”.

I don’t know if 1813benny is that good, or the Schuetzen guys are that bad, just trying to find some tray to make a reasonably honest comparison of expectations.
Well, I don't know him personally but here are his credentials. I myself don't shoot that discipline, but IMO it is the hardest to developed and be good at.
Ken?
ASSA Secretary / Treasurer

Lee
 
I was not comparing any targets shot off a bench to any targets shot off hand or from the shoulder. I compared bench results to bench results and drew the best off hand comparison available considering different target and scoring systems.

If you go back to the original post the OP is looking for comparisons for two different rifles, a dedicated bench rest rifle, and a CPA Schuetzen rifle. All of the information I have provided reflects the scores and group sizes shot in ASSRA bench and off hand matches, where the Schuetzen rifle would more likely to compete. Those matches are 100/200 yards. He wanted to know if his groups would be competitive, I simply showed him where to find match results and current record scores.

Not trying to take anything away from 1813benny’s targets, only pointing out a technological advantage that he shot them with. Maybe he could do the same with an old school rifle, it’s would be fun to see the results from someone who shoots that well, maybe his rifle offers no advantage to a good shooter.

I think it was an honest stab at trying to guess what his targets might have scored Overplayed on different rings. He probably would have beat the current ASSRA record by 10-15 points and most match top scores by 20. Probably the difference between a 1” group and a 2”.

I don’t know if 1813benny is that good, or the Schuetzen guys are that bad, just trying to find some tray to make a reasonably honest comparison of expectations.
Apologies as I may have misunderstood the OP and my subsequent posting(s). Read, but did not fully process the types of rifles used by the OP and methods used.

My info and short sighted posts were just on the 100 yd accuracy side. The target was shot from the shoulder, but from the prone position w/ a sling.

I did - in my past - shoot 3-P very successfully at the national level. Never shot 100 yd offhand during that period as it was not a type of competition fired, however it is certainly interesting.....
 
1813-
I shot 4p unsuccessfully at at local level :-).i.did have the joy of shooting with a junior and future Olympic team member Sarah Blakeslee. That 17 year old girl humbled me..
Also Loren Peter a national champion Metallic Sil.shooter.
It was embarrassing to shoot offhand around him.as well.he shot all positions offhand it winter league and still shot many scores close to 400!
 
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